U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > North Dakota > Fargo
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 06-15-2008, 08:13 PM
 
36 posts, read 67,845 times
Reputation: 36

Advertisements

So,
They just passed the law in Fargo, ND that all bars
are to be smoke free effective July 1st.....

I don't mind that there will be no smoking anymore
because I hated coming home from the bar smelling
like smoke...

but, I don't agree that the owners of these establishments
be told how to run their business.....

So, what is your thoughts on this??

(this won't affect me much longer since I will be moving June 27th..)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-16-2008, 03:34 AM
 
Location: Cold Frozen North
1,928 posts, read 4,522,595 times
Reputation: 1266
I'm not a smoker and have never smoked, but I believe that bar owners should set their own policy. If I don't like smoke, I don't have to patronize their establishment. Who am I to tell a bar owner how to run his business.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-16-2008, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Western Hoosierland
18,264 posts, read 6,951,433 times
Reputation: 5943
Arrow Not From North Dakota

wow i see Fargo is joining the band wagon! where i live in indiana smoking in public places has been severely restricted and/or banned for years. i live in Hendricks County and smoking is banned everywhere except for special designated rooms in wharehouses in the commerical district. same goes for Marion,Morgan,Boone,Hamilton,Hancock,Johnson,Montg omerey,Bartholomew and i believe Tippecanoe Counties.

you can still smoke in your car and in your house.

But smoking is banned in Government housing. and if you are pulled over and you are smoking and you have a child in the car you will be issued a $75? ticket. i think that is the fine but i am not sure.



dont freak out i am reporting about smoking in INDIANA not North Dakota.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-16-2008, 01:15 PM
 
23 posts, read 92,529 times
Reputation: 30
There are a few of us non-smokers that see this as just the busy-bodied nosey people getting involved where they don't belong. There are a few problems that come with this that the non-smoker activists conveniently didn't tell the voters. (To be honest, I wasn't able to vote on this because I was out of state at the time.)

1) The Bars in the area just going to non-smoking after years of allowed smoking. If you have ever been to an apartment, home or bar that has been smoked in all day for years, that smoke gets into the building materials (paint, wood, carpet, apholstry) and stays there for years to come. The bar will still smell of old smoke and you will still come home smelling like you dragged on a cigarette. Over time it may fade but it isn't an instant thing.

2) Outlying communities have bars which are not affected by Fargo's rules. When Fargo forced restraunts to have no smoking, there was a substantial drop in revenue for many establishments as smokers (and non-smokers like myself) stopped patronizing them and went to West Fargo or Moorhead. The same will happen with bars (and I hate to think of how the biker bars like "Rick's" will fair through this) only to a greater extent. Those bars outside fargo are going to see a major increase in the number of people they serve while Fargo bars will see a decrease..to the point a few may close, which will put people out of business and out of jobs.

3) The choice was if you didn't want to smell like smoke and didn't want to breath it in, you didn't have to work or patronize a bar. Now, the nanny, "got to protect you for your own good" people are forcing everyone else to do what those nosey people believe is in the best interest for everyone.


I remember this country was founded by puritans, folks that thought 'fun' or 'happiness' was the work of the devil. It has been in our history that every cultural group that brought in their own form of entertainment or past time has had it stripped away by the vocal minority. In the early 1700's, the vocal minority stirred up public opinion to ban dancing (and there are still cities scattered around the US today that forbid dancing. Footloose was a movie but there are cities that have those same laws yet today). The Mexican's brought marajuania in the early 1900's and that was banned by the vocal minority that stirred up how 'evil' it was and tricked voters into passing laws against the plant and it's use. In the 1920's, again the vocal minority stirred up how 'evil' alcohol was and tricked voters, again, into passing laws against alcoholic beverages. In the late 1990's, the vocal minority yet again stirred up and lied to the public about how smokers were ruining their lives and it was the voters obligation to not only protect the voters themselves, but the voter's children and the smokers themselves. As we see, the laws are going up.

In the south, there are states that are passing laws against fast food now, and even some talk of passing laws against how much time you spend in front of the tv, on the internet, or even on the phone. But, it's for your own good that other's make these decisions for you, remember.

Once you start chipping away at freedoms in the name of 'for the good of Americans' or "For the children", then be prepared to have things you enjoy doing banned or regulated for you. You may not smoke but perhaps having a limit on how many miles you can drive during a day, or how much time you can spend online may affect you, or even how much you are allowed to eat during a day. Think it's fantasy? Well ask someone 20 years ago if they though there would be bans against smoking in a bar or even against fast food in their future and you have your answer.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-16-2008, 05:08 PM
 
Location: 河南郑州, Kansas City, Iowa, Fargo
253 posts, read 1,479,658 times
Reputation: 189
It's going to be awesome. I lived under a smoking ban in Lawrence, Kan., and I loved it despite the fact I vote against it! It's great to come home from a night of drinking and not smelling like smoke.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-16-2008, 05:49 PM
 
Location: E ND & NW MN
4,731 posts, read 9,085,251 times
Reputation: 3454
Quote:
Originally Posted by bschott View Post

I remember this country was founded by puritans, folks that thought 'fun' or 'happiness' was the work of the devil. In the late 1990's, the vocal minority yet again stirred up and lied to the public about how smokers were ruining their lives and it was the voters obligation to not only protect the voters themselves, but the voter's children and the smokers themselves. As we see, the laws are going up.
One of the many things I disagree with is the following...lied to the public about how smokers were ruining their lives... Oh I would love to know how that is a lie. My mom is 82 and she stopped smoking at 65. She had no lung issues at all until recently when what was thought was a little cold turned into pneumonia. Then emphyzema reared its ugly head because of pneumonia and now she has to carry an oxygen tank around. If she had never smoked, the fluid in the lungs would have cleared up and she would free to go about as she pleases as she is in otherwise very good health and independent.

If I am being nosy that is fine....one of my pet peeves is smoking in the car with young kids. How in the world can someone justify that. That kid has no right and body is just developing.

Now about the bars....that is more a touchy subject. I dont frequent them anymore regardless as I have a family to keep me busy. There are points to both sides I see.

But I do certainly forsee a day when all of ND will follow MN and other state's lead. As far as I know nothing in EGF has shut down, including the American Eagles club and VFW.

Dan
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:



Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > North Dakota > Fargo
View detailed profiles of:
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2018, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top