[seain dublin]

Originally Posted by ♥♥PRINC3Ss♥♥

The roads are fine. I've driven in both in TX and California and didn't see any significant difference, just more sprawl in Texas.

The only roads in Florida I personally dislike are most roads in Broward county. I just hate those 3 wide lane roads(Broward blvd, Commercial, University, Flamingo, Pines blvd, Davie etc) and the area in Ft Lauderdale where all the highways (595, SR84, I-95, 41, turnpike) intersect. that area is the most hideous thing on earth. And the Red light cameras too.

Are you kidding? Both CA and TX have 4 and 5 lane(in each direction) freeways that intersect.

FL has nothing like that.

[ferret111]

Originally Posted by seain dublin

The roads here are poorly designed and dangerous.

Such as? Aside from the aforementioned roundabout issue.

[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by seain dublin

Yes and that is the kind of mindset that keeps FL lagging behind most of the country when it comes to jobs, education, etc.

The roads here are poorly designed and dangerous.

This is the 4th most populated state yet it ranks 41st in highway safety.

If you don't care how they do it up north...LOL...then look westward.

Texas has a great highway system.

It wouldn't hurt FL to look to see how other states do things on many issues.

Long term construction on the 417 south of the 408 is a prime example of dangerous. The roadway has been moved in areas to encompass the former emergency lanes and yellow-striped "no traffic" sections without temporary resurfacing, resulting in frequent varying levels of pavement which is quite dangerous at high speeds and when raining, since water has no where to go and it ponds all over the roadway. Bear in mind most traffic moves at around 75 mph through this section. An Orange County Sheriffs Deputy on a motorcycle was hurt pretty badly in an accident there last week.

[kyle19125]

It appears the traffic engineers are the drunk ones. This is a photo of the on-ramp from 46-A merging onto eastbound I-4 in Sanford. The next exit is SR46 which is inaccessible for exit due to the flyover which started one mile back to the west. Notice on the right opportunity for a single lane to get past and merge onto the flyover for access to the next exit. This is whackadoodle in a populated area to have no access from one exit to the next and make traffic utilize secondary roads.

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[user8]

i find it pretty funny that someone would dump a huge wall of text like that and vanish.

as for his claims, meh. florida's a breeze. try most major markets in the northeast.

[seain dublin]

Originally Posted by ferret111

Such as? Aside from the aforementioned roundabout issue.

US 19, US 41, the I-4, the many state roads.

Other states have freeways with dividers in the middle. Not highways where you have people making u-turns or sitting in the middle of a highway after pulling out from from strip mall.

There are horrific crashes the likes of which you don't see in other states so frequently.

[sware2cod]

Many of the complaints are related to exits/entrances for the Interstates(I-4, I-95, etc). These are FEDERAL roads, not state roads.

Saying the state is doing things wrong enginerring the interstates is placing blame on the wrong party. That makes about as much sense as blaming the state for something related to the us mail.

[ferret111]

Originally Posted by seain dublin

US 19, US 41, the I-4, the many state roads.

Other states have freeways with dividers in the middle. Not highways where you have people making u-turns or sitting in the middle of a highway after pulling out from from strip mall.

There are horrific crashes the likes of which you don't see in other states so frequently.

A good chunk of the Pinellas portion of US 19 is now a freeway. I-4 is decent from a design standpoint, but, like the other roads you listed, it's just a congestion thing which isn't a Florida thing by any means.

[ferret111]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

It appears the traffic engineers are the drunk ones. This is a photo of the on-ramp from 46-A merging onto eastbound I-4 in Sanford. The next exit is SR46 which is inaccessible for exit due to the flyover which started one mile back to the west. Notice on the right opportunity for a single lane to get past and merge onto the flyover for access to the next exit. This is whackadoodle in a populated area to have no access from one exit to the next and make traffic utilize secondary roads.

*** Okay so of course the link won't attach but is visible via Streetview on Google Maps

It's because that ramp would be redundant and take up more land in an already crowded area. While a ramp would be nice there, I can see why they didn't put it in.

It's a similar situation the 275 ramps to 4th Street, 9th Street, and Gandy in St. Pete.

[seain dublin]

Originally Posted by ferret111

A good chunk of the Pinellas portion of US 19 is now a freeway. I-4 is decent from a design standpoint, but, like the other roads you listed, it's just a congestion thing which isn't a Florida thing by any means.

I'm not just talking about congestion. The roads are poorly designed.

For example on US 19 people pull right unto the highway from strip mall parking lots, I have never seen anything like that.

You're pulling out onto a highway where people are doing 55mph or more from a parking lot.

In other states they have service roads that you exit onto which run parallel with the highway, and then a ramp where you merge into traffic. So you're traveling at the speed of traffic.

US 19 is one the deadliest highways in the nation.