[Arcenal813]

Originally Posted by Racer46

They hire someone from India. Check how many doctors now are here from ... there.

How does someone from India sign and seal a project? Requires a state-issued PE seal.

[Racer46]

Originally Posted by Arcenal352

How does someone from India sign and seal a project? Requires a state-issued PE seal.

They qualify and get it and ... are paid less. This is happening all over including in Universities.

[Arcenal813]

Originally Posted by Racer46

They qualify and get it and ... are paid less. This is happening all over including in Universities.

You cannot do that with PE licenses. You simply cannot. And you don't get a PE license from university.
There are strict requirements in place to become a licensed engineer. And I guarantee you, someone living in India, cannot sign off on a Florida project.

[Ghaati]

Originally Posted by Arcenal352

You cannot do that with PE licenses. You simply cannot. And you don't get a PE license from university.
There are strict requirements in place to become a licensed engineer. And I guarantee you, someone living in India, cannot sign off on a Florida project.

Engineering firms hire people who are NOT licensed engineers, to do the drafting and spec writing. And then the owner or singular licensed engineer in the firm does all the signing off on the projects.

The same with legal assistants. In Florida, the average salary for a legal assistant is only around $15/hour. Better than minimum wage, but you can earn the same amount moving boxes from a conveyer belt to a shipping palate at Amazon - and at least THEY give out bonuses.

[Arcenal813]

Originally Posted by Ghaati

Engineering firms hire people who are NOT licensed engineers, to do the drafting and spec writing. And then the owner or singular licensed engineer in the firm does all the signing off on the projects.

The same with legal assistants. In Florida, the average salary for a legal assistant is only around $15/hour. Better than minimum wage, but you can earn the same amount moving boxes from a conveyer belt to a shipping palate at Amazon - and at least THEY give out bonuses.

Engineers don't do drafting, period. (They KNOW how to do it, but no client is paying an engineer to draft.) They do electrical load calcs, heat distribution, etc.
You cannot hire anyone but a licensed engineer to approve RFI's and submittals, which is the brunt end of the work. Trust me: You cannot hire people from India to do anymore than minimal CAD drafting work for engineering projects, which is NOT engineering work. That's CAD Tech work. (And yes, typically done for $15-$17/hr... Normally through internships and the like.) An "owner" would lose his **** having to stamp each and every single approval letter or permitting package in a medium-sized firm -- That's not now engineering works. Individuals have their own stamps, and can sign off on their own projects. There is no one single PE in a mid-sized firm signing off on everything. That would be insane.

[Ghaati]

More changed goalposts. Now it's not just that you must be an actual licensed engineer, but you have to be working in a medium-sized firm.

Do you even remember the topic of this thread? You've derailed and derailed with so many "whatabouts" that you've turned the thread from a "who will pay a $15/hour minimum wage" to "engineers in medium-sized firms must be licensed and none of THEM will work for $15/hour."

[StarryKnight1]

Wow this thread is still going on.

Also it has been seldom mentioned here that the minimum wage isn’t automatically jumping to 15, it’s a gradual increase over the course of several years.

[Ghaati]

Originally Posted by MisterRice

Wow this thread is still going on.

Also it has been seldom mentioned here that the minimum wage isn’t automatically jumping to 15, it’s a gradual increase over the course of several years.

I think it's 5 years. Goes up to $10 and then increases $1 more every year til it hits $15.

I honestly feel that in Florida, it doesn't need to increase to $15. If they stopped at $12 in Florida it'd work out - two people sharing an apartment can live decently if both are earning $12/hour full time. If they're only working part-time, then they need to get a second job. The downside to that is health insurance, which isn't typically offered to part-timers in Florida.

I think Florida needs more regulation to protect employees. Not union-happy stuff. I mean basic stuff like any employee working more than 4 hours a day should be entitled to a 15-minute paid break. If they work 6.5 hours or more, they should be entitled to a half-hour UNpaid break in addition to the 15-minute paid break. And no one should be *scheduled* to work fewer than 4 consecutive hours. That's just cruel, forcing someone to break up their entire day just to earn 2 hours pay. If you can't find 4 hours in a row for them, then don't put them on the schedule that day at all. And if you do schedule them for 4 hours and send them home early, you should pay them the full 4 hours they were scheduled to work. If THEY choose to go home early, then no you don't owe them that full shift's pay.

Florida should also impose mandatory sick time for employees. 1 hour earned for every 40 hours worked. If you work full time, that'd be half a day for each month, or 6 paid sick days per year earned. If you only work part time, 20 hours a week, that means an extra 24 hours paid per year.

It's not a lot. But it's meaningful.

The state of Florida currently has no labor laws for adults. None. You can look it up. You'll see laws for minors, but none for adults. They refer to the Fed, and the Fed gives the states the power to regulate or not.

I think Florida can go a long way to help part-time and low-income full time employees by regulating MINIMUM requirements like these, without having to mandate $15 minimum wage. I think $12/hour is sufficient.

And I say that as someone who has worked mostly entry-level jobs for most of my life.