[WRnative]

A detailed youtube video from PBS Terra:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_Oe6YK0DgE


The video emphasizes heat impacts on Florida and strangely down plays hurricane & storm risks even though they clearly pose serious hazards and consequences for Florida residents.


There also is little mention of accelerating sea level rise which will increasingly and greatly pose a negative quality of life impact in Florida over even the next three decades.

[jmking]

That's what the Spanish said 400 years ago.

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by WRnative

There also is little mention of accelerating sea level rise

that's because there's no acceleration in sea level rise....

no tide gauge shows acceleration.....only satellites show acceleration

...that's because it's a product of the satellites sensors degrading

that was proven over 3 years ago > https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-47340-z

[waltcolorado]

So.. if I take an ice cube and see how fast it melts at one temperature, do you think it will melt at the exact same rate at a higher temperature?

Here is something interesting on sea level vs our current CO2 levels (which are on a upwards trend). https://www.climate.gov/news-feature...dustrial%20era.

In fact, the last time atmospheric carbon dioxide amounts were this high was more than 3 million years ago, during the Mid-Pliocene Warm Period, when global surface temperature was 4.5–7.2 degrees Fahrenheit (2.5–4 degrees Celsius) warmer than during the pre-industrial era. Sea level was at least 16 feet higher than it was in 1900 and possibly as much as 82 feet higher.

Sea level rise is a longer term problem, probably not something to worry about for most of us.. On the shorter term, its going to be being able to build somewhere or get reasonably priced insurance on what you build or own.

The video was posted in the Florida forum but is also interesting for us out West regarding wildfire and water availability (both of which I have to worry about where I live).

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

that's because there's no acceleration in sea level rise....

no tide gauge shows acceleration.....only satellites show acceleration

...that's because it's a product of the satellites sensors degrading

that was proven over 3 years ago > https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-47340-z

You cite a single study that is contradicted by numerous other studies.


Persons should ignore Big Lie Climate Change denialists, and heed the warnings of NASA and NOAA sea level rise experts, who definitively forecast accelerating sea level rise in the decades ahead, including the next three decades.



<<Global sea level has been rising for decades in response to a warming climate, and multiple lines of evidence indicate the rise is accelerating. The new findings support the higher-range scenarios outlined in an interagency report released in February 2022. That report, developed by several federal agencies – including NASA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), and the U.S. Geological Survey – expect significant sea level rise over the next 30 years by region. They projected 10 to 14 inches (25 to 35 centimeters) of rise on average for the East Coast, 14 to 18 inches (35 to 45 centimeters) for the Gulf Coast, and 4 to 8 inches (10 to 20 centimeters) for the West Coast.>>


https://scitechdaily.com/new-nasa-st...on-u-s-coasts/


Claiming that satellite sea level measurements are inaccurate due to degrading satellite sensors is an absurd falsehood, most especially because upgraded, ever more capable Earth-observing satellites continuously are launched.


<<Since 1992, five missions with similar altimeters have repeated the same orbit every 10 days: TOPEX/Poseidon (1992 to 2006), Jason-1 (2001 to 2013), the Ocean Surface Topography Mission/Jason-2 (2008 to 2019), Jason-3 (2016 to present), and Sentinel-6 Michael Freilich (2020 to present)....

Together, the mission teams have assembled a unified, standardized ocean topography record that is equivalent to the work of a half-million tide gauges. The scientists accumulated and corroborated a data record that is now long enough and sensitive enough to detect global and regional sea level changes beyond the seasonal, yearly, and decadal cycles that naturally occur....


“With 30 years of data, we can finally see what a huge impact we have on the Earth’s climate,” said Josh Willis, an oceanographer at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and NASA’s project scientist for Sentinel-6 Michael Freilich. “The rise of sea level caused by human interference with the climate now dwarfs the natural cycles. And it is happening faster and faster every decade.”>>


https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/im...sea-level-rise


<<The rate at which the oceans are rising has accelerated over the past two decades, and scientists expect it to speed up more in the years to come. Sea level rise will change coastlines and increase flooding from tides and storms. To better understand how rising seas will impact humanity, researchers need long climate records – something Sentinel-6 Michael Freilich will help provide....


In monitoring global sea levels since 2001, the Jason series of satellites have been able to track large ocean features like the Gulf Stream and weather phenomena like El Niño and La Niña that stretch over thousands of miles. However, measuring smaller sea level variations near coastlines, which can affect ship navigation and commercial fishing, has been beyond their capabilities.


Sentinel-6 Michael Freilich will collect measurements at higher resolution. What's more, it will include new technology in the Advanced Microwave Radiometer (AMR-C) instrument that, along with the mission's Poseidon-4 radar altimeter, will enable researchers to see these smaller, more complicated ocean features, especially near the coastlines.>>


https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/5-t...chael-freilich

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by WRnative

You cite a single study that is contradicted by numerous other studies.

I'm not going to search for you.....

Tide gauges are a direct measurement of sea level....no satellites, sensors, estimates, and quirky formulas involved

...and no tide gauge shows sea level rise accelerating

[LKJ1988]

We will be dead fred before we have to deal with water.

[WRnative]

Originally Posted by LKJ1988

We will be dead fred before we have to deal with water.

So what? You or I may be dead next year, but now young children, especially those that remain in Florida, even before 2050 will curse the climate change deniers who perpetuate ignorance about the certainty and consequences of accelerating sea level rise despite the empirical evidence and warnings of sea level rise now expressed constantly by sea level rise scientists and other experts.


Imagine a Florida with increasingly inundated beaches, much more frequent and severe sunny day flooding, greater storm surges, salt water intrusion diminishing sources of fresh water, rising water levels more frequently flooding septic tanks causing raw sewage to surface, let alone making if more difficult to dispose of treated waste water and polluted storm run-off into the elevated oceans.


You're clearly in the camp of "not my problem," let the next generations deal with the mess we've created and the diminished legacy we're bestowing upon them. Do you have children and/or grandchildren and you're comfortable with this attitude?

[Arcenal813]

Originally Posted by WRnative

Imagine a Florida with increasingly inundated beaches, much more frequent and severe sunny day flooding, greater storm surges, salt water intrusion diminishing sources of fresh water, rising water levels more frequently flooding septic tanks causing raw sewage to surface, let alone making if more difficult to dispose of treated waste water and polluted storm run-off into the elevated oceans.

This will create more jobs. More civil engineers, structural engineers, land surveyors, plumbers, landscapers, masons, water filtration plant workers. Florida's economy is going to be THRIVING! Thank you for pointing this out!

[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by Arcenal813

This will create more jobs. More civil engineers, structural engineers, land surveyors, plumbers, landscapers, masons, water filtration plant workers. Florida's economy is going to be THRIVING! Thank you for pointing this out!

And who exactly is paying for that? I wouldn't venture the state given the slant toward coastal residents only.