08-08-2008, 07:40 PM
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Im sorry if this has been discussed before, but im sure some other people may have additional opinions if they havent made one before.
So, just as the title suggests, What the positives of both in comparison? Whats one city got that the other doesnt. And most importantly, where would you rather live and why?
08-09-2008, 07:07 AM
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Sarasota ALL the way!!
Fort Myers is a run down, crime ridden city with no culture.
Sarasota has many things to do! Sarasota has a lot of shoppes, it's crime rate is lower than Fort Myers. Sarasota also has the Asolo, Van Wazel, and GWIZ for entertainment and Sarasota has
PLENTY of beaches!! Sarasota also has a great downtown district and the Farmer's Market on Main Street every Saturday. I have found a lot of friendly people in Sarasota, more so than Fort Myers.
I would go Sarasota all the way!!
Good Luck!
08-09-2008, 09:06 AM
Location: North Central Florida
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Fort Myers is a run down, crime ridden city with no culture.
hey! Hey!! HEY!!!!!!!!!
Well, can't argue much, but Ft Myers/Cape Coral is a good boating area, fishing used to be better, but it's still ok. But that isnt anything you cant find in Sarasota.
The few times I visited the Sarasota area(s) I really enjoyed St. Armand's and to the south a little ways, some nice beaches in the Nokomis area. Sarasota is a nice clean city, from what I've seen of it.
My Issues with Sarasota are on the county level. From some friends I know that had issues(divorce/child support type stuff) the court system in Sarasota county is quite screwed up. Also, the county sherriff's there seem to be worse than even the Lee county variant. I once had to do a job at Galati's on Anna Maria Isl. The truck I drove at the time didnt have a rear bumper. Mind you I drove that truck all over Florida for two years before and another year after. I got pulled over as soon as I crossed the county line on I 75 because I didnt have a rear bumper, got pulled over twice more, within an hour once I got onto Anna Maria Isl. for the same thing. I had $300.00 in fines, and was run out of the county because I didnt have a rear bumper. That was 1999, dont know if theyve lightened up a bit there, or not, but they kinda struck me as a money grubbing bunch, as far as county govt was concerned. As I dont have a choice, I still.... pass thru.... when necessary.
08-18-2008, 12:42 PM
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hmmm
thanks for the info guys!
Now, concerning the suburbs from the two cities---which do you prefer?
I thought Estero was very nice in Fort Myers and alot is going on in Bonita Springs and all down US41.
Im not familiar with Sarasota's suburbs at all---what can you tell me about the best ones and where are they? What makes them better than FM suburbs?
Thanks!
08-18-2008, 04:37 PM
Location: Fort Myers, FL
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well like any city, they have there ups and downs. i am in fort myers, it is the next major metropolis for the US. i would never recommend living in the cape or lehigh. i never did when the market was "booming". i wouldn't now, no matter how good the deal was.
i live in belle lago, technically fort myers, but really estero. i love it here. next to the 2nd largest mall in america and one of the biggest outlet malls in the state, if not the country and its upscale outlets! and now we also have another mall at alico. the resturants are incredible. right in between both fort myers, which will be really nice once they complete the re-developement of downtown fort myers and naples just a 30 minute drive either way.
some basic tips, closer to the water the more the value of property, west of 41 is worth more, west of 75 is worth more than what is east
i am biased to this area tho, lol. are you looking to buy? i have 2 listings, lol.
08-18-2008, 05:18 PM
Location: The Conterminous United States
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well like any city, they have there ups and downs. i am in fort myers, it is the next major metropolis for the US. i would never recommend living in the cape or lehigh. i never did when the market was "booming". i wouldn't now, no matter how good the deal was.
i live in belle lago, technically fort myers, but really estero. i love it here. next to the 2nd largest mall in america and one of the biggest outlet malls in the state, if not the country and its upscale outlets! and now we also have another mall at alico. the resturants are incredible. right in between both fort myers, which will be really nice once they complete the re-developement of downtown fort myers and naples just a 30 minute drive either way.
some basic tips, closer to the water the more the value of property, west of 41 is worth more, west of 75 is worth more than what is east
i am biased to this area tho, lol. are you looking to buy? i have 2 listings, lol.
I was going to let this go, but some people might actually take this at face value.
Next major metropolis? A metropolis is generally defined as having at least one-half million people in the city and at least one million in the surrounding county. That doesn't fit Fort Myers.
Other problems with the label is that the area has one of the largest amount of foreclosures in the country and also has businesses and developers going under left and right. That brings us to the development of downtown. That's been on hold since the economy took a dump. And sadly, there were never many high-paying jobs to support a metropolis in the first place.
Also, you live next to the second largest mall in the country? Name it, because I've never heard of it.
List of largest shopping malls in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
08-18-2008, 08:19 PM
Location: Palm Island and North Port
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I'm with Suncoast Guy. Sarasota is the best city IMO, no matter what your age is, Sarasota is a great place to live. It has great restaurants, a fabulous arts community, and some of the best beaches in the state. Sarasota all the way!
08-19-2008, 10:56 PM
Location: Fort Myers, FL
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I was going to let this go, but some people might actually take this at face value.
Next major metropolis? A metropolis is generally defined as having at least one-half million people in the city and at least one million in the surrounding county. That doesn't fit Fort Myers.
I said NEXT metropolis. Meaning of the current metropolis' that do exist, Fort Myers is the only city in America that has the growth potential to support and become the next metropolis in the US. That does not mean tomorrow or next year. It is probably close to 15 years away.
Other problems with the label is that the area has one of the largest amount of foreclosures in the country and also has businesses and developers going under left and right. That brings us to the development of downtown. That's been on hold since the economy took a dump. And sadly, there were never many high-paying jobs to support a metropolis in the first place.
It is currently the largest amount of foreclosures. Why? Because all the other major areas had there meltdown's already. One other important fact is that most other areas weren't investor owned. and that real estate market here is fairly specific to homes under $500k from the speculators. Up to this point I think that about 30% of total housing was investor owned. My personal community has not had any foreclosures, it is 40% investor owned.
As far as high-paying jobs, what do you call high-paying? Everyone has there own opinion. What is yours?
Also, you live next to the second largest mall in the country? Name it, because I've never heard of it.
List of largest shopping malls in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Well I read in a CNN article a few years ago before the mall was started. Its not an indoor mall so the classification isn't the same. It is an outdoor mall. It's Coconut Point Mall with 1.2 Million sq ft retail. The outlet mall is Miromar and the other mall off Alico is Gulf Coast Town Center.
http://www.simon.com/mall/mall_info.aspx?ID=1202
http://www.miromaroutlets.com/index.php
http://www.gulfcoasttowncenter.com/shop/gulf.nsf/facts (broken link)
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08-20-2008, 04:06 PM
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I was going to let this go, but some people might actually take this at face value.
Next major metropolis? A metropolis is generally defined as having at least one-half million people in the city and at least one million in the surrounding county. That doesn't fit Fort Myers.
Other problems with the label is that the area has one of the largest amount of foreclosures in the country and also has businesses and developers going under left and right. That brings us to the development of downtown. That's been on hold since the economy took a dump. And sadly, there were never many high-paying jobs to support a metropolis in the first place.
Also, you live next to the second largest mall in the country? Name it, because I've never heard of it.
List of largest shopping malls in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You're right the original statement of Metropolis is incorrect, nothing about SWFL in general should be considered Metropolitan.
It was and will be a quiet golfing/retirement community with nice beaches, fishing, and boating. The economy is primarily driven off of tourism and eventually will become more diversified with FGCU & SWFL Int Airport (RSW). There will be research, engineering, and Customs job growth driven by these factors.
Realestate and development are not self sustaining indurstries here and I hope almost go away for good (for the area's sake).
As for as Sarasota vs. Fort Myers I don't think there is that much of a difference in the long-term. Based upon recent development I think Sarasota may provide a better opportunity but all will even out in the end.
08-20-2008, 05:42 PM
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There will be research, engineering, and Customs job growth driven by these factors.
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Can you elaborate on the basis for such an opinion?
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Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)