Ancestry.com Look Ups (sibling, born, results, possible)

[CA central coast]

Originally Posted by PA2UK

Oh sorry, I thought I'd replied to that before. I didn't find anything, sorry.

Thanks for trying.

[Jerksticks]

So my mother is adopted and I always wanted to find her family for her as a present; maybe deliver it like, "I think you know what's in this envelope; feel free to open it if you like. If not, no big deal." Something like that, ya know? Is a private investigator the way to go? Ancestry.com? Any advice would be thankfully accepted! JSticks

[PA2UK]

I don't think you'd be able to use Ancestry.com until you had the names of her birth/biological parents. I'm not sure how you'd go about obtaining their names, especially without you mother's knowledge. You'd probably have to find the adoption agency and I'm not sure they'd release the information to someone without your mother's permission. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't have any experience tracing ancestry of through adoption.

[Jerksticks]

I know the mother's name (first and last) , where it happened, birthdate, etc. Father not sure, but know he was italian. Sorry for the confusion.

[PA2UK]

Well, you might be able to get some info off Ancestry.com - but be aware the latest US census available is only 1930 so if her mother was born after that point, you may only be able to find her in the directories and public listings.

[Stubblejumper]

I've got one I could use some help on. I'm looking for either a birth record or immigration record for Valentine Loran (born May 12, 1874 either North Dakota, likely Stark County or the Ukraine)

[PA2UK]

These looked promising (I think they are the same record but one in German) - I know there's no mention of Ukrainian origins but the mention of the Dakota's caught my eye.

Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s about Valintine Loran
Name: Valintine Loran
Year: 1890
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Place: New York, New York
Source Publication Code: 7951.12
Primary Immigrant: Loran, Valintine
Annotation: Date and port of arrival of Germans from Russia, departing from Hamburg or Bremen and bound for the Dakotas. Occupation and, often, place of origin also provided.
Source Bibliography: SCHALL, NED G. "Passenger Lists." In Heritage Review (Germans from Russia Heritage Society, Bismarck, ND), vol. 17:2 (May 1987), pp. 44-45.
Page: 44

Hamburger Passagierlisten, 1850-1934 Hamburg Passenger Lists, 1850-1934 about Valentin Loran
Name: Valentin Loran
Departure Date: 30 Okt 1890 (30 Oct 1890)
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Age Year: 17
Gender: männlich (Male)
Family: Household members
Relationship: Kind (Child)
Residence: Carlsruhe, Russland

Ship Name: Augusta Victoria
Captain: Albers
Shipping Line: Hamburg-Amerikanische Packetfahrt-Actien-Gesellschaft
Ship Type: Dampfschiff
Accommodation: Zwischendeck
Ship Flag: Deutschland
Port of Departure: Hamburg
Port of Arrival: New York

Volume: 373-7 I, VIII A 1 Band 069
Page: 1146
Microfilm Roll Number: K_1742

If you know any family member's names, the family he was traveling with was:

Johann Loran 30 Okt 1890 (30 Oct 1890) abt 1847 New York Augusta Victoria
Antoinina Loran 30 Okt 1890 (30 Oct 1890) abt 1859 New York Augusta Victoria
Heinrich Loran 30 Okt 1890 (30 Oct 1890) abt 1871 New York Augusta Victoria
Valentin Loran 30 Okt 1890 (30 Oct 1890) abt 1873 New York Augusta Victoria
Elisabeth Loran 30 Okt 1890 (30 Oct 1890) abt 1875 New York Augusta Victoria
Ludwig Loran 30 Okt 1890 (30 Oct 1890) abt 1883 New York Augusta Victoria
Cornelius Loran 30 Okt 1890 (30 Oct 1890) abt 1885 New York Augusta Victoria
Ottilie Loran 30 Okt 1890 (30 Oct 1890) abt 1887 New York Augusta Victoria
Nicodemus Loran 30 Okt 1890 (30 Oct 1890) abt 1889 New York Augusta Victoria

If that's the right family, PM me with your email address and I can send you the original document.

Looking in the card catalog, it seems there are no Ukrainian records on ancestry.com at all and North Dakota (or at least Stark County) does not make their birth records/indexes available on ancestry.com.

[mawipafl]

Would he have lived in Saskatchewan? According to the Canada Census in 1916, there's a Valentine Loran (found as Laran) living in Maple Creek with a wife Katie and 8 children. This one was 42 years old in 1916 (thus birth year about 1874), born in Russia, German race, immigration 1908 and naturalization 1911.

Perhaps if this is the right person, he immigrated first to the Dakotas in 1890 (per the records found by PA2UK) and then went to Canada in 1908.

[Stubblejumper]

Originally Posted by mawipafl

Would he have lived in Saskatchewan? According to the Canada Census in 1916, there's a Valentine Loran (found as Laran) living in Maple Creek with a wife Katie and 8 children. This one was 42 years old in 1916 (thus birth year about 1874), born in Russia, German race, immigration 1908 and naturalization 1911.

Perhaps if this is the right person, he immigrated first to the Dakotas in 1890 (per the records found by PA2UK) and then went to Canada in 1908.

That's him. What he was doing in Maple Creek is a bit of a mystery. Something to ask my Grandpa about, I suppose.

He did immigrate to the Dakotas, then to Canada in 1908. Mostly, I was curious as to when he got to the Dakotas, or if he was born there. Since he arrived in 1890, that pretty well settles that.

[mawipafl]

Looking at the names of fellow travelers that PA2UK provided, perhaps I found Heinrich (as Henry) in 1900 in Township 140, Stark, North Dakota. He was a farmer, owned his farm, was married to Lizzie and had 4 children. Lizzie was also from Russia, immigrated 1890, too. But she can't be the Elizabeth Loran on the passenger list, or it's doubtful, because she and Henry had only been married 7 years (m. @ 1893).

Johann (as John) and wife Antoinina (as Angeline) were in Springvale, Stark, North Dakota along with children Ludwig, Cornelius, Ottilie (as Ophelia), Nicodemus (as Nicholas), and 5 more children born in N.D., Sophia, Jacob, Frances, Amelia, Philip. Of the original immigrants, neither Elizabeth nor Valentine are listed there. Johann/John and Antoinina/Angeline had been married 17 years (@ 1883) and 9 of their 11 children were living. This suggests that Heinrich, Valentine, and Elizabeth were children from Johann's previous marriage or were Johann's younger siblings OR the number of years married is wrong.

As for why Valentine went to Maple Creek, it could have something to do with the Dominion Lands Act. In an effort to populate the territory, it was incredibly cheap to buy a large tract of land.
SHIP HomeStead Files

With WWI approaching, maybe it made sense to go rural.

There are three homestead records for Valentine Loran. http://www.saskhomesteads.com/results.asp. Looking back at the 1916 Canada Census, Valentine was apparently living in one of the homesteads (township 21, range 26, meridian 3 which sort of matches the homestead record).

Also in Deer Creek, Maple Creek on a homestead in 1916 was John Loran (b. @ 1878, immigrated to Canada @ 1911) and his wife Katie and his mother Lucie (b. @ 1854). Any relation to Valentine?

As well, in 1916, Matthew (aka Mathias) Loran (b. @ 1872) was on a homestead in Lost River, Humboldt, Saskatchewan, with his wife Elizabeth (possible maiden name Maurer). He arrived in Canada in 1903 with Elizabeth and daughter Mary b. in Russia @ 1903, and their next child Emil was born in Saskatchewan in 1904 -- makes me think Matthew/Mathias immigrated from Germany or Russia and went directly to Saskatchewan. Even though Humboldt and Maple Creek are a distance apart, if he was any relation to the North Dakota Lorans, maybe he was the catalyst to get other Lorans to move to Saskatchewan?