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St. Louis still isn't a geographically northern city. The climate there is in fact humid subtropical with Summer temperatures that are as hot or nearly as hot as southern cities. Yes, I'm not debating the fact that it is the Midwest with northern cultural influences, but that doesn't change the fact that St. Louis is situated at a low latitude and low elevation.
St. Louis still isn't a geographically northern city. The climate there is in fact humid subtropical with Summer temperatures that are as hot or nearly as hot as southern cities. Yes, I'm not debating the fact that it is the Midwest with northern cultural influences, but that doesn't change the fact that St. Louis is situated at a low latitude and low elevation.
According to the maps, St. Louis is Humid Continental. Subtropical begins 100 miles south of there.
St. Louis still isn't a geographically northern city. The climate there is in fact humid subtropical with Summer temperatures that are as hot or nearly as hot as southern cities. Yes, I'm not debating the fact that it is the Midwest with northern cultural influences, but that doesn't change the fact that St. Louis is situated at a low latitude and low elevation.
Its climate is very similar with Philadelphia, NYC, Cincinnati, and southern regions of Illinois, which most people would consider Northern geographically (especially NYC). They are all on the far northern fringes of the Humid Subtropical region.
According to the maps, St. Louis is Humid Continental. Subtropical begins 100 miles south of there.
According to what source? The USDA plant hardiness zones have been shifting dramatically north as well.
I compared the average high temperature of St. Louis so far this month to other cities in the Midwest core and it is about 10-20F warmer overall. That is an ENORMOUS difference.
Edit: Just looked at the average temperatures this month in other places compared to STL. It appears that the average high temperature so far this April in Frankfort, KY and Crossville, TN are fairly similar to St. Louis, MO overall give or take a couple degrees.
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Its climate is very similar with Philadelphia, NYC, Cincinnati, and southern regions of Illinois, which most people would consider Northern geographically (especially NYC). They are all on the far northern fringes of the Humid Subtropical region.
That would be correct, but Philadelphia and NYC are both further north in latitude than STL. Cincinnati is further north as well. Philadelphia and NYC also have the urban heat island effect meaning that the cities are so large with lots of buildings, concrete, asphalt, etc that they have higher elevated temperatures compared to the outlying regions.
I don't know who would claim there is a "New England Dialect" anyway. Western New England sounds totally different from Eastern New England. The Western New England dialect is pretty close to standard American, and blends pretty imperceptibly into Upstate New York.
According to what source? The USDA plant hardiness zones have been shifting dramatically north as well.
I compared the average high temperature of St. Louis so far this month to other cities in the Midwest core and it is about 10-20F warmer overall. That is an ENORMOUS difference.
Edit: Just looked at the average temperatures this month in other places compared to STL. It appears that the average high temperature so far this April in Frankfort, KY and Crossville, TN are fairly similar to St. Louis, MO overall give or take a couple degrees.
I haven't paid attention to St. Louis, but here about 100 miles southwest it has been anything but warm this "spring". There was sleet and flurries Friday morning for crying out loud. Not sure if we have broken any record low temperatures, but we have at least gotten very close several times over the last two months.
I can assure you, the bootheel has a much more mild winter than St. Louis, especially in terms of snowfall. I have never seen any form winter weather in April until I came to central Missouri. I believe the average temperature comparisons though since it has been below normal everywhere. Of course St. Louis is going to be warmer than the midwest core, it is significantly farther south than those places. I wouldn't call it a southern climate by any stretch though, except maybe in the summer. (Even then the humidity in the bootheel is worse, probably due to the high water table) In Southeast Missouri, that line is roughly the same line that separates areas that average over and under a foot of snow annually.
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St. Louis still isn't a geographically northern city. The climate there is in fact humid subtropical with Summer temperatures that are as hot or nearly as hot as southern cities. Yes, I'm not debating the fact that it is the Midwest with northern cultural influences, but that doesn't change the fact that St. Louis is situated at a low latitude and low elevation.
St. Louis is not a low latitude or low elevation. And it is considered humid continental, not humid subtropical, or right near the meeting of the two of these. Its weather is not all that different from Springfield, IL. And as far as hot summer temperatures, Omaha has temperatures that are almost as hot as St. Louis. Stop trying to make my city Southern. Culturally, demographically, linguistically, and especially post-Civil War historically, St. Louis is much more of a Northern city than anything else. You can't say ST. Louis isn't Northern based on one characteristic.
St. Louis is not a low latitude or low elevation. And it is considered humid continental, not humid subtropical, or right near the meeting of the two of these. Its weather is not all that different from Springfield, IL. And as far as hot summer temperatures, Omaha has temperatures that are almost as hot as St. Louis. Stop trying to make my city Southern. Culturally, demographically, linguistically, and especially post-Civil War historically, St. Louis is much more of a Northern city than anything else. You can't say ST. Louis isn't Northern based on one characteristic.
I think you would find St. Louis a bit less northern overall once you actually live in a city that is more solidly northern all the way around overall. Just my opinion. I should know as I've lived in many different cities and states.
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