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Originally Posted by Mutiny77
CSA for the Bay Area and LA (or at the least, SF + SJ MSAs and LA + Riverside MSAs). MSA for the rest.
I'd also use CSA for NYC, since Connecticut is absolutely linked to The City, as Red John has mentioned. I'd amend its CSA, however, to remove the PA portions--some 884,146 folks, as they are geographically and culturally much more aligned with Philadelphia (same area codes, same television stations, Philly pro sports teams affiliates). New York can have Trenton/Mercer County, but its ridiculous that the "Tri-State Area" gets PA counties that aren't even covered in local NYC news broadcasts.
I'd also use CSA for NYC, since Connecticut is absolutely linked to The City, as Red John has mentioned. I'd amend its CSA, however, to remove the PA portions--some 884,146 folks, as they are geographically and culturally much more aligned with Philadelphia (same area codes, same television stations, Philly pro sports teams affiliates). New York can have Trenton/Mercer County, but its ridiculous that the "Tri-State Area" gets PA counties that aren't even covered in local NYC news broadcasts.
No reasonable person believes Princeton and Yale are in the same metro. Parts of Connecticut are definitely metro, New York, but nothing beyond Fairfied County.
I'd also use CSA for NYC, since Connecticut is absolutely linked to The City, as Red John has mentioned. I'd amend its CSA, however, to remove the PA portions--some 884,146 folks, as they are geographically and culturally much more aligned with Philadelphia (same area codes, same television stations, Philly pro sports teams affiliates). New York can have Trenton/Mercer County, but its ridiculous that the "Tri-State Area" gets PA counties that aren't even covered in local NYC news broadcasts.
I'm not as familiar with NYC as a metro, but I'd agree that the closer-in parts of CT certainly feel like Greater NYC. But it's crazy that the Hamptons are part of the MSA, even if they are on the other end of Long Island.
I'd also use CSA for NYC, since Connecticut is absolutely linked to The City, as Red John has mentioned. I'd amend its CSA, however, to remove the PA portions--some 884,146 folks, as they are geographically and culturally much more aligned with Philadelphia (same area codes, same television stations, Philly pro sports teams affiliates). New York can have Trenton/Mercer County, but its ridiculous that the "Tri-State Area" gets PA counties that aren't even covered in local NYC news broadcasts.
This exactly, except I think that Mercer should be switched back eventually too. Trenton is literally an under 15 minute drive from NE Philly and you can even see CC Philly from parts of Trenton. I can't think of any other major city in the country that is stripped of an area (multiple areas, when you include the PA parts) so close in proximity to the major city itself.
That being said, some commuter numbers currently give New York the MSA advantage even though Philly news and sports dominates much of Mercer, especially Trenton. I think the switch for Mercer was made in 2000 after a half century of Philly's slow decline.
The last 15 years of pickup have me confident (hopefully) that with a few more years of growth the MSA will switch back. Also, if parts of PA are given to Philly as they rightfully should be, the MSA stands to gain 2 million+ from its already significant metro over 6 million strong. This is without the city having a major satellite to significantly boost MSA or CSA numbers (such as Fort Worth, San Jose, Baltimore, Riverside, etc.)
For the most part I think Chicago CSA is ok but I do think that the WI portions are a stretch...Kenosha?
Chicago doesn't really have a CSA. The difference between the Chicago MSA and see essay is about 200,000 people. All CSA does is diminish Chicago's importance compared to other cities with the good fortune of being 40 miles away from other major cities.
I use CSA, however, for data collection for things like GDP, TPI, total wealth, diversity compositions, Fortune 500, 1000, or Global 500, private firms, NIH funding, defense funding, and several other things too. I use CSA because urban area (both the United States and United Nations' versions) don't release data and information for those things at the urban area level. I vastly prefer the CSA to the MSA.
If I use the CSA for one place, then I use it for everywhere.
No reasonable person believes Princeton and Yale are in the same metro. Parts of Connecticut are definitely metro, New York, but nothing beyond Fairfied County.
Key word is reasonable, there are some on this forum who think small country towns surrounded by millions of acres of cornfields are in a metro.
Examining the empty space on a map in the Rand McNally atlas would be a better use of time than starting 100 threads asking the same question over and over again.
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