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Old 05-08-2018, 11:28 PM
 
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White Americans have intermarried a lot, so not really to me.
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Old 05-08-2018, 11:35 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I notice that many folks from the South and Lower Midwest (especially Kentucky, Indiana and Tennessee), where Irish and Scottish ancestry are the most prevalent, have certain facial features that are commonplace.

In rural areas of the South and Midwest, it is common to see the following traits among adult males below retirement age:
-Reddish to brownish hair (sometimes black)
-Chubby round face
-Generally, but not always, overweight

Toby Keith and Larry The Cable Guy share these traits. Keith is from Oklahoma (technically the South), and Larry is from Nebraska (Midwest). It could also be a German ancestry thing. I've never met or heard of a Scandinavian, Italian or Russian-American with these features. It's mostly Scots-Irish, English and/or German.

I have noticed throughout the South and Lower Midwest, as well as some portions of the West. I've even noticed in some isolated, semi-rural to rural, poorer pockets of the Northeast (i.e. Central Pennsylvania, Central New York and much of Maine). Yes, I travel quite a bit but mostly within' US borders.

So has anyone noticed this look?
No but I believe my husband is stuck in these sticks. Chubby round faced are my kind of man. How do I haul thee to California? sigh. My yorkie and I are waiting. Hurry up, we dont have much time.
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Old 05-09-2018, 12:43 AM
 
Location: California
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One commonality among Scotch-Irish-Americans, whether we're referring to those in Pennsylvania or Tennessee, is the collective faulty assumption they are most indigenous ethnic group in America, clamoring to brand their ancestry as "American." However, the ethnic group most indigenous to America is the English. Close, but no cigar.
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Old 05-09-2018, 04:29 AM
 
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One commonality among Scotch-Irish-Americans, whether we're referring to those in Pennsylvania or Tennessee, is the collective faulty assumption they are most indigenous ethnic group in America, clamoring to brand their ancestry as "American." However, the ethnic group most indigenous to America is the English. Close, but no cigar.
The ethnic group most indegenous to the US are Native Americans.
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Old 05-09-2018, 10:29 AM
 
Location: California
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The ethnic group most indegenous to the US are Native Americans.
Maybe in Cherokee Nation, but I'm referring to America.
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Old 05-09-2018, 10:51 AM
 
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Maybe in Cherokee Nation, but I'm referring to America.
I don't think you know what indigenous means
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Old 05-12-2018, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Edina, MN, USA
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Today I learned that Scandinavian Americans, Italian Americans & Russian Americans can't be overweight or have a chubby face.

Also, I learned that Nebraska is the Lower Midwest.
My mother & Grandmother & aunt were true Scandinavians and were all chubby including their faces.
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:59 PM
 
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I notice that many folks from the South and Lower Midwest (especially Kentucky, Indiana and Tennessee), where Irish and Scottish ancestry are the most prevalent, have certain facial features that are commonplace.
The states you mention are predominately of Scottish ancestry. The Scots-Irish are Scottish. The only reason they have "Irish" in that name is only because they were transplanted from Scotland to northern Ireland by the English to create a buffer between them and the unruly Irish. Many southerners, mainly from those states you mentioned, especially Kentucky and Tennessee, but also most of Appalachia and the deep south, are predominately of Scottish ancestry.

To this day, many Scots-Irish themselves misidentify as Irish because of that label. Here is an article written by a professor that explains all this in more depth:


Just Who Were the Scots-Irish?

By: Carolyn L. Barkley

One of the students in my fall genealogy course commented last week that “My family always says that our ancestors are Scotch-Irish – whatever that means.” In that one sentence, she unwittingly defined the problem with the term “Scotch-Irish,” or more appropriately stated, “Scots-Irish.” The term implies an individual of blended Scottish and Irish origin, but this deduction cannot be further from the truth. First, the term is uniquely American with a clearer descriptor being the term “Ulster Scots.” To understand the Ulster Scots and their history, and eventually to identify your Ulster Scot ancestor, you will need to learn about the political and socio-economic framework within which they existed.

The first clarification is that they were not Irish, but rather Scots from the Lowlands of Scotland. They were Presbyterians, not Catholic.

Why, then, did these Presbyterian Scots come to Ulster in northern Ireland, and why did they later leave their homes in Ireland to come to North America?

Geographically, the northern part Ireland is separated from Scotland by a mere twenty miles and this proximity brought with it constant conflict between Scotland and England and the native – and Catholic – Irish. After James I of England (and VI of Scotland) ascended the English throne in 1603, he believed that it was critical to devise a plan that would enable him to concentrate his military resources elsewhere, without the distraction of warfare with the Irish. His solution was to invite Presbyterians from the Lowlands of Scotland, in addition to some English, German and French Protestants, to emigrate and settle in what became known as the “Plantation of Ulster.” By doing so, he not only would be able to control a large portion of Ireland, but would also be able to exercise tighter control over the Borders in Scotland. His plan was facilitated in 1607 by the “Flight of the Earls,” who left Ireland to seek help from Spain and Rome in resisting English control. When they were unable to return, their lands became forfeit to the crown. The first settlers arrived in Ulster in 1609 when Hugh Montgomery and James Hamilton, both lairds in Ayrshire on Scotland’s west coast, began to implement the King’s plan. These lands granted to the settlers, however, were not vacant and large numbers of native Irish were displaced. The areas being settled included the present-day counties of Donegal, Fermanagh, Cavan, Monaghan, Armagh, Down, Tyrone, Coleraine (Londonderry) and Antrim.

The plantation plan proved successful and by 1619, approximately 8,000 emigrants had sailed the short distance to Ulster. These settlers proved quite industrious and established towns and farms, as well as industry and commercial interests. Life, however, was not idyllic and was characterized, instead, by a series of crises and threats, not the least of which were uprisings on the part of the native Irish Catholic population, who deeply resented the encroachments and who viewed the Protestant “incomers” as heretics. This resentment erupted, from time to time, as in the major insurrection of 1641. Nevertheless, the Scots lived in Northern Ireland for slightly over a century.

The five waves of “The Great Migration” out of Ireland by the Ulster Scots that began in 1717 were caused by a combination of political, economic and religious factors.

• The English landlords were Anglican and realized a large percentage of their income from tithes payable by all, regardless of religion. As Protestants, the Ulster Scots were not members of the official church, a variety of laws restricted their religious and political rights.

• The Scots settlers had established farms that they had continued to improve through almost four generations. In 1717, as the first group of 100-year leases came due for renewal, the landlords, in a process known as “rack-renting,” raised the rents on the improved lands to such an exorbitant extent that many farmers could no longer afford to remain on the land.

• Six years of drought occurred between 1714 and 1719 and three consecutive potato crops failed in 1724, 1725, and 1726. A famine in 1740 led to almost 400,000 deaths.

• The growth in the Irish woolen and linen industry began to threaten those industries in England and Parliament’s Wool Act of 1699 represented a severe financial setback to Ulster Scots whose money was tied to this industry.

These factors, when combined, made the perilous and expensive voyage to North America less of an obstacle than that of remaining on their land that now cost an enormous amount in rents and had become impoverished due to continued crop failures and drought. For those who tried to remain, the ensuing famine represented the tipping point, with entire protestant communities setting sail in search of land, religious tolerance, and a better life in general.

The first wave of migration (1717-1718) saw about 5,000 leave Ulster; the second (1725-1729) was larger. The individuals migrating during these two time periods tended to enter through Philadelphia and the Delaware River. Conflicts flared between these individuals and the Quakers and Germans already living in these areas, and so the third wave (1740-1741) was characterized by a push to the west, across Pennsylvania into the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia and then on into the Carolinas. They would later move into Georgia, Kentucky and Tennessee in the years following the American Revolution. The effect of Ireland’s 1740 drought would be the single most significant factor driving migration for the following ten years. The fourth and fifth waves (1754-1755 and 1771-1775) spring, in large part, from effective propaganda from America which took two forms: encouragement from family members already in America and relocation schemes promulgated by several North Carolina governors, among others. During those years close to 250,000 individuals migrated. Throughout the Great Migration, the desire for religious freedom, distance from organized government, and land ownership propelled the Ulster Scots out of Ireland. Perhaps not surprisingly, they were almost always supporters of American independence.
The term “Scots-Irish” and/or “Ulster Scot” became less used as the original settlers became assimilated into the mainstream of American life. It would not regain importance as a descriptor until the nineteenth century brought new waves of Irish immigrants during the potato famine. Individuals whose ancestors had settled in the United States as a result of “The Great Migration” felt the need to distinguish themselves from these new waves of immigrants who were Gaelic Irish, not Scots; Catholic, not Presbyterian; and who tended to settle in groups in cities such as New York and Boston, rather than in the Mid-West and South as had the Ulster Scots. By some estimates as many as twenty-seven million Americans can claim Protestant Ulster Scots origins. Their ancestors made an indelible mark on American history, including such diverse individuals as Davy Crockett, Sam Houston, Andrew Jackson, Stonewall Jackson, Mark Twain, John Wayne, and Woodrow Wilson, among others.

Irish research is not a simple task. Research into your possible Ulster Scots heritage may be slightly less difficult if you can establish where your ancestor came from, during what time period, and to which religion he or she professed. If you can trace him or her to a location within the confines of the Ulster Plantation and substantiate that he or she was Presbyterian, you will be able to focus your research more readily. The social status of your ancestor and the survival of records for a particular area will probably govern the success of your research.
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Old 01-09-2019, 10:08 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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I think they're somewhat less blonde than areas with a lot of German and Scandinavian ancestry. Same is true of Cajuns in South Louisiana.
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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A common misconception is that Germans are tall and blonde typically. Germany is a large centrally located European country. The closer you get to Scandinavia, the taller and more blonde people tend to be, but remember that Germany shares borders with Austria, Switzerland, France, Czechia, Poland, etc as well, and there are lots of dark haired, shorter Germans. I mean LOTS.

I'm just putting that out there because we are talking about "certain looks" genetically and because so many Americans have German ancestry, including those in the South. I am predominately Scottish/English but have some German and Scandinavian and Finnish ancestry as well - basically I'm a Viking, LOL. I am 100 percent Northern European according to my DNA and I have dark hair and dark eyes. Both my Scottish and English grandmothers were natural "gingers" though, with red red hair.

I've lived in the American south most of my life and I do not think there is a particular "look" when it comes to the Scots Irish in general, though of course some people, like one of my grandmothers for instance, do look stereotypically Scottish.
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