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I read, somewhere (wish I could find it), that the gap between Milwaukee's white population and black population education level, is the most in any city. Of course, there are exceptions (like the neighbors I had, where husband and wife were both MDs, and black).
I was born in Milwaukee and have heard about the gap between whites and blacks there for decades since at least the early 1980s...not only for education but for every social ill you can think of. Whatever the gap is nationally, it is much more extreme in Milwaukee for whatever reason.
I agree these are all group differences and there are always individual exceptions..always. This is true for pretty much all the posts where people in cities are compared to each other. For example, I spent my childhood in a Milwaukee suburb and the first black I met and became friends with had parents who were both doctors. That doesn't mean anything said about Milwaukee blacks as a group is false, it shows there are always exceptions to the group.
Yeah, everybody knows stuff like that; stuff like houses in ANY class of majority Black neighborhood being of lower value that in an equaivalent white or Asian neighborhood, no matter what city you go to. That's not really what I'm talking about when I bring up Dallas, though.
Maybe I didn't make it clear in my previous post, but I was making a point about how that common factor combined with the massive amount of Black transplants to Dallas AND how spread out DFW is, AND how quickly it is growing make Dallas somewhat unique in just how acute the difference is between what is CONSIDERED middle class to native Black Dallasites and what is considered middle class to Black transplants to Dallas; and how it really waters down the overall strength and feel of the Black Professional community as well as the Black community in general in Dallas/DFW.
Atlanta and DC don't have that problem---or at least not NEARLY to the extent that Dallas does---because they have both been known, proven Meccas for Black professionals and Black people in general for a very long time now. Dallas/DFW has not, and the point I was trying to make was that as quickly as it's growing and with all that DFW has to offer professionals in general of ANY race these days, it's a shame that that is holding Dallas back as a known and positively regarded place for Black professionals. (Not to spark up Houston vs. Dallas again, but) That's the very reason why Houston gets brought up by Black folks a considerable amount as a good, up and coming or underappreciated city for Black Professionals but Dallas either never gets brought up or gets compared unfavorably to Houston in that regard.
Having lived in both (and DC for that matter), agree to some extent, but I think there are two main drivers of the segmentation of the professional black community in Dallas when compared with Houston, Atlanta, and DC. One is the lack of an HBCU - all three of those cities have multiple sizable and historic HBCUs in the area. Urban areas with HBCUs tend to cultivate and retain a bigger professional black community than urban areas without, especially in the south. I don't really count Paul Quinn since it is tiny and to this day a lot of older blacks in Texas still associate it more with Waco than Dallas. It hasn't even been in Dallas for 30 years yet.
The second is that, for whatever reason, Dallas feels more spatially and socially segregated than Houston and DC (I can't really speak on Atlanta as I've never lived there). It definitely feels like there's a wide gulf between black transplants and black natives in Dallas in many ways. I've never really felt that same dynamic in Houston or DC where both black transplants and natives tend to occupy the same social spaces, and it seems that both of those cities have more spaces in general that specifically cater to black social life. But I think the main driver is that the city lacks the ability to grow its black professional class organically through an HBCU. Some might be surprised how many networks and opportunities HBCUs can open up for young educated black people, particularly in the region that the HBCU resides. They tend to be a huge part of social life in DC and Atlanta (and Houston to a far lesser extent).
Having lived in both (and DC for that matter), agree to some extent, but I think there are two main drivers of the segmentation of the professional black community in Dallas when compared with Houston, Atlanta, and DC. One is the lack of an HBCU - all three of those cities have multiple sizable and historic HBCUs in the area. Urban areas with HBCUs tend to cultivate and retain a bigger professional black community than urban areas without, especially in the south. I don't really count Paul Quinn since it is tiny and to this day a lot of older blacks in Texas still associate it more with Waco than Dallas. It hasn't even been in Dallas for 30 years yet.
The second is that, for whatever reason, Dallas feels more spatially and socially segregated than Houston and DC (I can't really speak on Atlanta as I've never lived there). It definitely feels like there's a wide gulf between black transplants and black natives in Dallas in many ways. I've never really felt that same dynamic in Houston or DC where both black transplants and natives tend to occupy the same social spaces, and it seems that both of those cities have more spaces in general that specifically cater to black social life. But I think the main driver is that the city lacks the ability to grow its black professional class organically through an HBCU. Some might be surprised how many networks and opportunities HBCUs can open up for young educated black people, particularly in the region that the HBCU resides. They tend to be a huge part of social life in DC and Atlanta (and Houston to a far lesser extent).
Thank you. Since you have lived in Dallas (and Houston and DC), you get EXACTLY what I was saying.
Isn’t HBCU all about timelines? Cause we have a black college in New York City I think two actually but none are considered HBCU. Could it be because they’re public colleges or because they were built much much later than the typical HBCUs?
Isn’t HBCU all about timelines? Cause we have a black college in New York City I think two actually but none are considered HBCU. Could it be because they’re public colleges or because they were built much much later than the typical HBCUs?
Or is it because they are up north?
^ This, as the institution had to be formed before 1964.
Chicago also has predominantly black colleges(i.e.-Chicago State), but I don't believe that any were formed previous to that year or changed at a later time.
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Having lived in both (and DC for that matter), agree to some extent, but I think there are two main drivers of the segmentation of the professional black community in Dallas when compared with Houston, Atlanta, and DC. One is the lack of an HBCU - all three of those cities have multiple sizable and historic HBCUs in the area. Urban areas with HBCUs tend to cultivate and retain a bigger professional black community than urban areas without, especially in the south. I don't really count Paul Quinn since it is tiny and to this day a lot of older blacks in Texas still associate it more with Waco than Dallas. It hasn't even been in Dallas for 30 years yet.
The second is that, for whatever reason, Dallas feels more spatially and socially segregated than Houston and DC (I can't really speak on Atlanta as I've never lived there). It definitely feels like there's a wide gulf between black transplants and black natives in Dallas in many ways. I've never really felt that same dynamic in Houston or DC where both black transplants and natives tend to occupy the same social spaces, and it seems that both of those cities have more spaces in general that specifically cater to black social life. But I think the main driver is that the city lacks the ability to grow its black professional class organically through an HBCU. Some might be surprised how many networks and opportunities HBCUs can open up for young educated black people, particularly in the region that the HBCU resides. They tend to be a huge part of social life in DC and Atlanta (and Houston to a far lesser extent).
I agree until the last part. TSU and especially, PV have a huge grasp on Houston’s nightlife. DJ Mr. Rogers is a PV alum and brings out the PV crowd like none other. Southern and Grambling do too. Grads from Southern and TSU have opened up several daiquiri spots that cater to the nightlife too.
DC and Atlanta have more elite and prominent HBCUs, which is why I can kinda see where you’re going.
I agree until the last part. TSU and especially, PV have a huge grasp on Houston’s nightlife. DJ Mr. Rogers is a PV alum and brings out the PV crowd like none other. Southern and Grambling do too. Grads from Southern and TSU have opened up several daiquiri spots that cater to the nightlife too.
DC and Atlanta have more elite and prominent HBCUs, which is why I can kinda see where you’re going.
Fair, maybe I shouldn't have said to a FAR lesser extent. PV and TSU (+ the Louisiana schools) do have a big influence on Houston's black professional life, I just don't perceive it to be quite on the same level as Howard's influence on DC or the AUC's influence on Atlanta. But its definitely there and you can feel it.
Having lived in both (and DC for that matter), agree to some extent, but I think there are two main drivers of the segmentation of the professional black community in Dallas when compared with Houston, Atlanta, and DC. One is the lack of an HBCU - all three of those cities have multiple sizable and historic HBCUs in the area. Urban areas with HBCUs tend to cultivate and retain a bigger professional black community than urban areas without, especially in the south. I don't really count Paul Quinn since it is tiny and to this day a lot of older blacks in Texas still associate it more with Waco than Dallas. It hasn't even been in Dallas for 30 years yet.
The second is that, for whatever reason, Dallas feels more spatially and socially segregated than Houston and DC (I can't really speak on Atlanta as I've never lived there). It definitely feels like there's a wide gulf between black transplants and black natives in Dallas in many ways. I've never really felt that same dynamic in Houston or DC where both black transplants and natives tend to occupy the same social spaces, and it seems that both of those cities have more spaces in general that specifically cater to black social life. But I think the main driver is that the city lacks the ability to grow its black professional class organically through an HBCU. Some might be surprised how many networks and opportunities HBCUs can open up for young educated black people, particularly in the region that the HBCU resides. They tend to be a huge part of social life in DC and Atlanta (and Houston to a far lesser extent).
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Yeah, everybody knows stuff like that; stuff like houses in ANY class of majority Black neighborhood being of lower value that in an equaivalent white or Asian neighborhood, no matter what city you go to. That's not really what I'm talking about when I bring up Dallas, though.
Maybe I didn't make it clear in my previous post, but I was making a point about how that common factor combined with the massive amount of Black transplants to Dallas AND how spread out DFW is, AND how quickly it is growing make Dallas somewhat unique in just how acute the difference is between what is CONSIDERED middle class to native Black Dallasites and what is considered middle class to Black transplants to Dallas; and how it really waters down the overall strength and feel of the Black Professional community as well as the Black community in general in Dallas/DFW.
Atlanta and DC don't have that problem---or at least not NEARLY to the extent that Dallas does---because they have both been known, proven Meccas for Black professionals and Black people in general for a very long time now. Dallas/DFW has not, and the point I was trying to make was that as quickly as it's growing and with all that DFW has to offer professionals in general of ANY race these days, it's a shame that that is holding Dallas back as a known and positively regarded place for Black professionals. (Not to spark up Houston vs. Dallas again, but) That's the very reason why Houston gets brought up by Black folks a considerable amount as a good, up and coming or underappreciated city for Black Professionals but Dallas either never gets brought up or gets compared unfavorably to Houston in that regard.
Hmmmm...this is interesting. In suburban Atlanta and DC in particular, a lot of Black transplants move to parts of the metro that have a significant population of natives or longtime transplants (ironically, I've lived in the Whiter/more diverse suburbs of both because they were much closer to work). As it was stated, Dallas is somewhat new to the game but I'm having a hard time believing that "the Best Southwest" is THAT far behind the more diverse middle/upper middle class neighborhoods in the northern suburbs; I doubt that the gap is significantly larger than that between south Dekalb/south Fulton/Clayton counties and north Fulton/Gwinnett/east Cobb counties in metro Atlanta or between PG County and Montgomery County/NoVA in the DMV. Maybe it's because the middle/upper middle class suburbs in metro Atlanta and the DMV have been around for a while and have made a name for themselves so they don't have to work as hard to sell themselves to transplants compared to the Best Southwest?
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