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Old 06-13-2023, 03:58 PM
 
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Obviously in historical context it makes sense regarding the seperation of the "north vs. the south". However, in MODERN times, as a resident of Piedmont North Carolina (and not a metro area) I've traveled around the country and it feels like our state (NC) is the true cusp of the North, Mid-Atlantic, and the South.



When you go anywhere south of Dunn, NC (in the middle) - Hendersonville, NC (in the west) - and New Burn, NC (in the east) there is absolutely no influence of the Northern States left, and there is little influence of the Mid-Atlantic states left as well.


I would also say that it is hard to pin-point exactly where but the NC-VA-MD-DE area as a whole is where the lines get very fuzzy.



From my view I would agree that SC is where Southern influence still exists as the dominant culture. North and South GA are still dominated by it while the ATL metro area is a cultural mixing pot and expanding rapidly. AL is the Deep South. FL is the Deep South (Except the Orlando line where anywhere South of that starts mixing into Cuban and Northern influences from transplants). MS, LA, AR, and TN are still all 100% Southern. TX is just Texas (although Eastern Texas is fully Southern influenced), and OK is mostly just the mid-west.

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Old 06-13-2023, 04:12 PM
 
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Michigan and Alaska are southern?

When did that happen?
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Old 06-13-2023, 04:15 PM
 
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Michigan and Alaska are southern?

When did that happen?

My fault. I guess I didn't abbreviate it in my original post correctly. I'd like to draw this map for everyone here.
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Old 06-13-2023, 04:15 PM
 
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Michigan and Alaska are southern?

When did that happen?
I’m assuming they mean Mississippi and Arkansas
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Old 06-13-2023, 04:16 PM
 
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I’m assuming they mean Mississippi and Arkansas

Yeah that was an accident, I'm running on like 10% battery right now. Sorry.
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Old 06-13-2023, 04:20 PM
 
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Honestly I think it's Nova but some would even argue that NC isn't really southern anymore..
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Old 06-13-2023, 04:27 PM
 
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Obviously in historical context it makes sense regarding the seperation of the "north vs. the south". However, in MODERN times, as a resident of Piedmont North Carolina (and not a metro area) I've traveled around the country and it feels like our state (NC) is the true cusp of the North, Mid-Atlantic, and the South.



When you go anywhere south of Dunn, NC (in the middle) - Hendersonville, NC (in the west) - and New Burn, NC (in the east) there is absolutely no influence of the Northern States left, and there is little influence of the Mid-Atlantic states left as well.


I would also say that it is hard to pin-point exactly where but the NC-VA-MD-DE area as a whole is where the lines get very fuzzy.



From my view I would agree that SC is where Southern influence still exists as the dominant culture. North and South GA are still dominated by it while the ATL metro area is a cultural mixing pot and expanding rapidly. AL is the Deep South. FL is the Deep South (Except the Orlando line where anywhere South of that starts mixing into Cuban and Northern influences from transplants). MS, LA, AR, and TN are still all 100% Southern. TX is just Texas (although Eastern Texas is fully Southern influenced), and OK is mostly just the mid-west.
Disagree somewhat - VA Southside which is between Richmond and Raleigh/Durham is already VERY southern. Raleigh/Durham itself may not be deep south but definitely still southern.

The line in VA is usually Rappahannock River AFAIK...you can go as far south as James River (Richmond) or even further south to Appomattox River (around Petersburg VA) - but anywhere south of that you just don't have any northern or even Mid-Atlantic influence left.
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Old 06-13-2023, 04:29 PM
 
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Honestly I think it's Nova but some would even argue that NC isn't really southern anymore..
It is more nuanced than just geography. IMO, essentially the fast growing metros in the Southeast are feeling more and more disconnected from traditional Southern culture as time passes. This is especially true for those metros that have seen many decades of huge influx from metros outside of the South. The Piedmont of NC, and specifically the greater Raleigh, Durham and Charlotte areas fit that bill.
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Old 06-13-2023, 04:34 PM
 
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Honestly I think it's Nova but some would even argue that NC isn't really southern anymore..

Nova was the original cutoff, but within the last decade it's been pushed more south. My point is that there isn't a real hard line between the North and the South. It's a gradient that slowly transitions into areas that are 100% Southern culture, or Southern culture is still the dominant influence.


NC right now is the true "cusp" state where all 3 of these cultures (North, Mid-Atlantic, and South) ALL meet (the split) and then whether you go north, west, or south is when these cultures have single dominance.
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Old 06-13-2023, 04:36 PM
 
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Disagree somewhat - VA Southside which is between Richmond and Raleigh/Durham is already VERY southern. Raleigh/Durham itself may not be deep south but definitely still southern.

The line in VA is usually Rappahannock River AFAIK...you can go as far south as James River (Richmond) or even further south to Appomattox River (around Petersburg VA) - but anywhere south of that you just don't have any northern or even Mid-Atlantic influence left.

Eh, I disagree with this too. I don't think it's a hard cutoff like that at all. The NC area basically acts like the new Mason-Dixon line in a way. It's like all of these cultures intersect and then as you travel further north, south, or west is where the influences from each of them start to become less noticeable as one culture takes the dominant force.
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