Will Georgia's 2018 elections be clean? (live, money, heating)

[Shakeesha]

Originally Posted by -thomass

So people are suggesting that kemp will alter the vote counts? Are we living in the Soviet Union?

Voter suppression is a very real thing. It is unfortunate this still happens.

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by Shakeesha

Voter suppression is a very real thing. It is unfortunate this still happens.

Hard to claim voter suppression when a record number of people voted.

[markjames68]

Originally Posted by ronricks

Hard to claim voter suppression when a record number of people voted.

Certainly some voting irregularities. But some of them, like long lines, may not be active suppression. It may be reflective of atypical voter interest. If 3 machines were sufficient last time but 7 are needed this year is that suppression?

The lack of power cords for some machines is also not good, but is that reflective of voter suppression or the fact that someone screwed up? Was that person anti-Abrams or incompetent?

I think some of the theories advanced assume too much orchestration and intelligence on the part of the people working the Districts. Especially when I’m sure some of the precincts had workers that mirror their constituents in terms of demographics.

[toll_booth]

Originally Posted by ronricks

Hard to claim voter suppression when a record number of people voted.

Those two things are not even remotely the same. Do you have something against the right to vote?

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by toll_booth

Those two things are not even remotely the same. Do you have something against the right to vote?

Not sure how anyone could come to the conclusion you did from what I posted. Georgians voted like never before.


The hiccups that happened here were no different than what happened in Florida and Arizona.

[toll_booth]

Originally Posted by ronricks

Not sure how anyone could come to the conclusion you did from what I posted. Georgians voted like never before.

If, say, 95% of the people who have the right to vote get to vote and the other 5% don't as a result of what the state does, that is voter suppression. It is that simple. It has absolutely nothing to do with the volume of people who vote. How are you not understanding this?

The hiccups that happened here were no different than what happened in Florida and Arizona.

Florida has never had problems with elections. /s

[markjames68]

Originally Posted by toll_booth

If, say, 95% of the people who have the right to vote get to vote and the other 5% don't as a result of what the state does, that is voter suppression. It is that simple. It has absolutely nothing to do with the volume of people who vote. How are you not understanding this?



Florida has never had problems with elections. /s

Please provide proof it’s even close to 95/5. I suspect it’s more like 99.8/0.2.

I have zero doubt there are people suppressing the vote. But I suspect a much greater number of poll workers are just incompetent.

And for every suppressed person there are probably 100 crying wolf who claim suppression but in reality don’t like to follow rules.

Of course I could be wrong. But then I’d like to see the memo from Kemp asking his workers to suppress the vote.

[atltechdude]

Originally Posted by -thomass

So people are suggesting that kemp will alter the vote counts? Are we living in the Soviet Union?

It is virtually impossible for the SoS's office to alter the vote count.

Vote counts are reported to the SoS office by local county election boards. The county numbers are also made public. If the final certified state total is not equal to the publicly reported county numbers added together, then that would imply either tampering by the SoS after receiving the totals or a gross inability to do simple arithmetic.

By the same token, because it is virtually impossible to directly alter the vote count to benefit either candidate, if you want to influence the election to your favor, you have to take the kind of steps that Kemp did which could indirectly affect it, by making it harder for people to vote, purging their registrations, disqualifying voters for minor technicalities in their data, etc.

[bUU]

Originally Posted by ronricks

Not sure how anyone could come to the conclusion you did from what I posted. Georgians voted like never before. The hiccups that happened here were no different than what happened in Florida and Arizona.

This is an utterly ridiculous rationalization.

Less voter suppression than a hundred years ago is still voter suppression.

And more voter suppression that eight years ago is very troubling. Voter suppression should continually decrease, heading toward zero.

[Shakeesha]

Originally Posted by ronricks

Hard to claim voter suppression when a record number of people voted.

Not hard at all. A record number of people voting has nothing to do with voter suppression when their votes were not counted or they were turned away. It is not about who wins or who loses. It is about protecting the Democratic process.