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I'm no prude since Ive lived in a lot of major cities and seen a lot. But when I see that mall advertising young girls that are almost naked it gives me the feeling that it isn't right. Young girls and boys going through the mall see that and I don't know what it does to there idea of morals. But back in the 1950s and early 60s that would have been backroom pornography. I may have been on a magazine rack but not accessible to someone of young age. Not only that but what are those young models doing posing like that. I think that they are being used by someone. It can't be good for them either.
It's a possible interpretation. Certainly there are countries around the world that might see it that way. Equally, I remember an academic discussion, perhaps in the last century, that saw shampoo commercials as a form of pornography.
Is it? Certainly could be, I suppose. After all, I have talked to men who have said as boys, they use to go through the Sears catalog to get their early fix.
And let's us not forget about what a thrill National Geographic was at one time.
No doubt there are many different messages that are being communicated, depending on who the viewer is. BUT, in view of what is "clearly pornography" (for that is open to interpretation), I don't think we ought to get too tied up about this for in one view, it is rather minor, and in another, it has been around for decades in one form or another.
Finally, I do have concerns that should we decide to censor on whatever reason is picked that we might start with examples of how Alex said it in "A Clockwork Orange", then proceed down to just the showing of skin, and then, move on to the possible messages being said (shampoo, Vicky), till we are left with nothing at all.
Human sexuality is meant to be talked about, understood and accepted. It's normal. People should be able to talk about it, and not feel mortified about our human bodies. It's crazy to think that there are still people that want to tell others what to wear or not wear in order to suppress the behaviors or thoughts in themselves or other people.
Lets address the inappropriate behavior, not blame the people that are comfortable in their own bodies.
Human sexuality is meant to be talked about, understood and accepted. It's normal. People should be able to talk about it, and not feel mortified about our human bodies. It's crazy to think that there are still people that want to tell others what to wear or not wear in order to suppress the behaviors or thoughts in themselves or other people.
Lets address the inappropriate behavior, not blame the people that are comfortable in their own bodies.
I dislike when people use that phrase. While I'm not against VS in this case, I don't think the above is justification for it. Just because you're comfortable with your own body, doesn't mean everyone else is comfortable with your body.
A guy giving having a little fun with himself in public is also probably comfortable with himself. Doesn't mean it's ok for him to do that.
Public decency rules have been around for decades for that exact reason. People who are comfortable with their bodies aren't equally comfortable with other people's bodies, nor should they have to be.
I don't think VS crosses the line, but at the same time, that doesn't mean the line shouldn't be considered.
Taken a step further, what if those were topless live women dancing just advertising the panties? Would you still say that the people who were offended by nudity in public were wrong and that the topless women were just "comfortable in their own bodies?" What about people actually having sex in windows?
There is a point where being in public subjects you to the comfort of those around you. It's part of the result of living in a society.
I dislike when people use that phrase. While I'm not against VS in this case, I don't think the above is justification for it. Just because you're comfortable with your own body, doesn't mean everyone else is comfortable with your body.
A guy giving having a little fun with himself in public is also probably comfortable with himself. Doesn't mean it's ok for him to do that.
Public decency rules have been around for decades for that exact reason. People who are comfortable with their bodies aren't equally comfortable with other people's bodies, nor should they have to be.
I don't think VS crosses the line, but at the same time, that doesn't mean the line shouldn't be considered.
Taken a step further, what if those were topless live women dancing just advertising the panties? Would you still say that the people who were offended by nudity in public were wrong and that the topless women were just "comfortable in their own bodies?" What about people actually having sex in windows?
There is a point where being in public subjects you to the comfort of those around you. It's part of the result of living in a society.
Agreed. Good examples. Respect for each other all the time....it's just that whose opinion do you consider?
The person telling everyone else how to dress or the individual who chooses to dress a certain way? They can be both right. Are the malls in Libya what you have in mind? Are the malls in Ibiza too crass?
Have you ever been to a European beach? or swimming pool? Everyone seems well behaved and half naked. It does not mean they walk around like that at the mall either.
I would rather have people naked and feeling free than fearful and oppressed. Seems like women historically get the short end of the stick, and I would rather women be free and feel safe than be subjected to others opinions on what they should wear. I would rather us all lose our clothes and see each other as people than cover up our women.
I'm thinking that people who are uncomfortable with nudity are lacking experience talking about the human body....... Women at Victoria Secret are sexy because its natural, should we be ashamed of sexuality? I say no.
I've had someone express the same opinion of these stores and their mall posters showing a good deal of skin, I'm always amazed what some people think is offensive, how can your body be something you hide away in shame? I'm glad we're getting over the fifties notion of what is good and what is bad, it's all in the eye of the beholder, but we have many twisted beholders I guess.
I've had someone express the same opinion of these stores and their mall posters showing a good deal of skin, I'm always amazed what some people think is offensive, how can your body be something you hide away in shame? I'm glad we're getting over the fifties notion of what is good and what is bad, it's all in the eye of the beholder, but we have many twisted beholders I guess.
Let's call this what this really is though. It's not people being comfortable showing skin. It's people being paid to show skin as pictures, and stores using those pictures as advertising.
If you were talking about someone on a beach, or even someone walking through a mall with a bikini top, that would be a more appropriate response. This is something entirely different though.
What is the difference between a exhibitionist and a person that just feels comfortable in their skin?
I'd assume the presence of an audience is required for the exhibitionist. Kind of a situation of "doesn't care if you see" vs "wants you to see"
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