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Old 02-09-2015, 01:22 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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Huge crowd of Muslim protesters picket Downing Street to protest at Charlie Hebdo cartoons - Telegraph

Huge crowd of Muslim protestors picket Downing Street to protest the Charlie Hebdo cartoons. Yet a huge crowd of muslims is NOT protesting ISIS, or doing anything about ISIS' spread in the middle east, or their beheadings of non-Muslims.

Is Islam a safe religion to have in non-Islamic countries? Why don't muslims ever do anything about the more radical muslims? Wouldn't they, as muslims, be able to exert more control over ISIS and other radical muslim groups than non-muslims would?

Isn't their refusal to stop ISIS a tell on what they actually think about sharia law and muslim fundamentalist violence?

They should do something.

Christians should also do something about the KKK. As a Christian, I worry more about hate groups such as the Westboro "Baptist Church" that misrepresent my faith and marginalize Christianity.
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Old 02-09-2015, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Chandler, Arizona
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I agree with Sheena. Why are Atheists more vocal about the violence and killing of gay men in Russia and Uganda, while some Christian missionaries are contributing to anti-gay rhetoric and condoning the violence?

In America specifically, we understand there is more than one religion claiming to be Christian. We understand the separation when it comes to the Westboro members, Catholics, Mormons, Baptists, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc, and most Christians are not willing to take responsibility for all the actions of all "Christians." Likewise, there is not only one "Muslim" religion, and why would we expect all Muslims to claim responsibility for the worst deeds of the worst people claiming to be Muslim?
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Old 02-09-2015, 03:16 PM
 
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Huge crowd of Muslim protesters picket Downing Street to protest at Charlie Hebdo cartoons - Telegraph

Huge crowd of Muslim protestors picket Downing Street to protest the Charlie Hebdo cartoons. Yet a huge crowd of muslims is NOT protesting ISIS, or doing anything about ISIS' spread in the middle east, or their beheadings of non-Muslims.

Is Islam a safe religion to have in non-Islamic countries? Why don't muslims ever do anything about the more radical muslims? Wouldn't they, as muslims, be able to exert more control over ISIS and other radical muslim groups than non-muslims would?

Isn't their refusal to stop ISIS a tell on what they actually think about sharia law and muslim fundamentalist violence?
No, Islam is not safe. I think it's pretty obvious that they are the only group that as a PURPOSE - justifies the death of others for their beliefs.

We have laws on the freedom of religion. Islam should not be considered a religion as long as they carry out these acts as a regular practice of what they believe. Basically they are using "religion" as a cover to commit crimes. If they dispute that, tell them to collectively clean up their act.

We have tons of laws in many other areas... maybe we should legally revisit what constitutes a religion in this country.
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Old 02-09-2015, 03:26 PM
 
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And do you think a group of Muslims will be effective? Because I don't. ISIS would happily open fire into a crowd of protesters or detonate an explosion in the middle of it.

The Middle East in not America. Protesting in America, at worst, may put you at risk of mild police over aggression and tear gas. There's a lot more at stake over there. Protesting may mean walking away without an arm or shrapnel imbedded in your chest, if you walk away at all.

As I said, there silence is reasonable. Their terrified, and I don't blame them.
They don't need to gather together for the turkey shoot do they? ISIS can't survive without sponsors. Those sponsors need the resources of their country states to provide that support.

Get beyond just locking arms and walking down the street, there are many other ways to effect change or influence besides running around chickens.

Have you not witnessed mass protests in Egypt and other countries? Surely you have, they can protest there just as anywhere else. When enough people do it, shooting all of them becomes an option taken off the table.

Muslims could isolate ISIS by removing their support systems. Just how would military materiel move to ISIS is the country states through which those things must pass had mass protests denouncing the involvement?

If the only way you think protests can happen is by people going into Syria or Iraq and running the gauntlet, can't say much about it, it is a very limited way of thinking.
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Old 02-09-2015, 04:36 PM
 
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I'd say the reason they'd get their heads chopped off is because more of them don't speak out. If Muslims protested enmass (and lets be honest, they have done so for other reasons) ISIS would be isolated and wither quickly.

ISIS only survives because Muslims around the world remain nearly silent, with the exception of the recent burning of the Jordanian pilot.

Even there, had Muslims done something about ISIS before, that pilot might be alive today.

The same phenomenon happens in the USA though. Look at how blacks started protesting enmass about Ferguson all the while remaining silent about black on black violence. Not much difference in why it happens.
First of all, "Muslims" aren't one homogenous mass. Most Muslims don't live anywhere near ISIS, have nothing to do with ISIS, and don't even speak the same language as the fighters in ISIS. Asking someone in Tunisia or Indonesia to speak out against ISIS is like asking a Mexican Catholic to speak out against the bombings that happened in Northern Ireland.

Second of all, why are Muslims worldwide responsible for the actions of some so-called Muslims in a country they don't live in? Are all Whites responsible for the actions of Whites in other countries? Are you responsible for what your neighbour does just because you live in the same town? So why expect all Muslims to act on an issue that only affects a few of them when they have their own problems to deal with at home?
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Old 02-09-2015, 04:44 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Those that kill jews and Christians are loyal to the Quran those that make friends with them are not
I have read the Quran two times something few Muslims have done
The mumins "explain" it to them instead
It is a hate filled blood thirsty book dictated by an unstable personality
Islam and.nazi have much in common
Their contempt for women is numbing
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Old 02-09-2015, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Dallas area, Texas
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Why don't Christians do something about Westboro Church and the KKK? They are "Christian" groups.
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Old 02-09-2015, 06:34 PM
 
Location: NYC
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The muslim world is lead by the weak representing the weaker muslims. The stronger muslims are radicals and of course the stronger muslims wants to follow the stronger forces.

ISIS no different than the Nazis just different religion, color, ethnics, but same idea of rallying people with strong radical talk.

You think all those nice muslims have the guts to fight the radical ones?
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Old 02-09-2015, 07:26 PM
 
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Why don't Christians do something about Westboro Church and the KKK? They are "Christian" groups.
I guess that you've been asleep for years?

Christians have marginalized the WBC. In fact, when the WBC shows up to protest at military funerals, groups of Christians show up to act as shields. In other words, they surround the WBC members to spare the grieving families.

As for the KKK, oh where to begin---Christians marched against them during the Civil Rights era. They also worked to marginalize them and pushed to have the worst of the worst arrested and jailed---even if it took years.

Compare that to Muslims in the Western world. Whenever brave Muslims speak out against what is wrong with Islam (treatment of women, girls and gays, for example), they are left twisting in the wind as no so-called "moderate peace-loving" Muslims stand in unity with them. Those brave Muslims end up with fatwas on them. There is a man in the Twin Cities, a Somali Muslim, who is working tirelessly to try and keep young Somalis from joining terror groups. None of the "moderate peace-loving" Muslims will work with him. He does this work without any pay. When he tries to go to mosques to ask if he can talk to their youth, many have refused him entry.
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Old 02-09-2015, 07:28 PM
 
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You think all those nice muslims have the guts to fight the radical ones?
No, they are cowards who expect Western countries to fight the radical ones. So many of our men and women in the military have died doing this and for what? Muslims bite the hand that feed them.
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