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because of welfare there is no incentive to be responsible.
This is the crux of the matter. Without welfare, there would be an incentive to remain childless until a parent/couple is able to financially support a child.
I met a woman who was receiving temporary assistance for needy families. She was in her late 20s and had seven children. 1-2-3-4-5-6-7.
She was receiving a big check, which is based on the number of children. However, the assistance is -temporary-. Its not an incentive to remain on it once the five years is up and you need to get employed to have an income.
I think that welfare is not encouraging single motherhood, but it is there for needy women who become mothers. Despite stereotypes, most recipients of government aid wish they didnt need it and prefer to get money through work if they can find it.
I also think single motherhood, for the most part, is an effect, not a cause, that can be addressed independently of whether of it's rewarded by temporary government assistance. Some of the causes include a culture of girls neglected by men, where they may seek validation through sex; girls not being exposed to healthy relationships between men and women and may believe its a norm for men to use women for sex and abandon families; and girls and boys not valuing each other as a mother and father, but as "my baby mama" and "my baby daddy" completely removing an attachment between themselves, which probably evolves out of the second point of lack of exposure to healthy and caring relationships between men and women in the same household, and/or a lack of willpower.
This is the crux of the matter. Without welfare, there would be an incentive to remain childless until a parent/couple is able to financially support a child.
This fails to see the bigger matter completely. You are assuming the only reason girls and women are single mothers is because they think they can feed them. Ever since we realized babies come from sex, we've still been having babies even before there was a government to help. Usually the family or tribe would help provide for the abandoned mother and child, and shame the father.
As long as theres sex, there will be single mothers. And most people want to have sex, whether the means exist to support a resulting child or not. Humans are highly adaptable and persevere, in other words, life finds a way.
So if they did not receive welfare to help out with their kids how would they support themselves?
I am assuming that you are referring to single mothers in the ghetto and not an educated woman who finds herself pregnant and decides to keep the baby for personal reasons.
My wife got pregnant at 21 and despite the father running for the hills and refusing to support his son, she managed to finish school, find gainful employment and raised her son without the help of welfare. If it's important, you'll find a way. If it isn't, you'll find an excuse.
An educated woman would support her baby by gainful employment. A woman without means could get a job, or resort to prostitution and/or selling dope. How do you think junkies manage to support their "habits"?
Seriously... Blaming welfare for single mothers is the same thing as blaming spoons for Rosie O'Donnell being fat.
I am assuming that you are referring to single mothers in the ghetto and not an educated woman who finds herself pregnant and decides to keep the baby for personal reasons.
My wife got pregnant at 21 and despite the father running for the hills and refusing to support his son, she managed to finish school, find gainful employment and raised her son without the help of welfare. If it's important, you'll find a way. If it isn't, you'll find an excuse.
An educated woman would support her baby by gainful employment. A woman without means could get a job, or resort to prostitution and/or selling dope. How do you think junkies manage to support their "habits"?
Seriously... Blaming welfare for single mothers is the same thing as blaming spoons for Rosie O'Donnell being fat.
This thread is not about those single mothers who are responsible and seek to better themselves without depending on hand outs. Congrats to your wife. We are talking about those women who have no aspirations other than to have multiple children because Uncle Sam will take care of their expenses. These women have no sense of responsibility but make them pay the bill on their own and watch how quickly it will change.
This is the crux of the matter. Without welfare, there would be an incentive to remain childless until a parent/couple is able to financially support a child.
Assuming of course that all the incentives for becoming pregnant can be boiled down to monetary considerations.
The thread simply flies in the face of reality.
Whatever "incentives" there are for having children regardless of economic status just isn't working because birthrates across all categories have been steadily declining.
Even the birth rate amongst unmarried black women has been in steady decline well before the welfare reforms of 1994! So even when welfare benefits were most generous(sic) women, particularly black women were starting to have fewer children outside of marriage.
In short all the hair pulling on display here is self-induced hysteria.
If you want to continue this trend I would suggest that instead of making outdated arguments, attacking funding for Planned Parenthood, supporting ineffectual sex education programs like abstinence only, and the hypocritical war against women's right to an abortion.
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This thread is not about those single mothers who are responsible and seek to better themselves without depending on hand outs. Congrats to your wife. We are talking about those women who have no aspirations other than to have multiple children because Uncle Sam will take care of their expenses. These women have no sense of responsibility but make them pay the bill on their own and watch how quickly it will change.
I believe the topic of this stupid debate is Does welfare encourage single motherhood? You may have YOUR interpretation, but to most people it infers that the existing welfare system somehow encourages childless women of all socioeconomic backgrounds to get pregnant on purpose so the state can take care of them. After all, single motherhood begins with the first child, not the fourth.
I believe the topic of this stupid debate is Does welfare encourage single motherhood? You may have YOUR interpretation, but to most people it infers that the existing welfare system somehow encourages childless women of all socioeconomic backgrounds to get pregnant on purpose so the state can take care of them. After all, single motherhood begins with the first child, not the fourth.
Can't rep you enough for bringing some reason and thoughtfulness to this absurd conversation.
Yes, the topic "Does welfare encourage single motherhood?" has somehow morphed into "all single moms" or "all moms who receive welfare" are "ghetto moochers who have 4 kids with 4 different loser men."
The folks making these arguments cannot seem to understand how offensive, ignorant and wrong their overly-simplified, outdated stereotypes are. Yes, some people abuse the system. But there are many people who use it as intended, and many who never use it at all even though they would qualify.
I don't understand people who act like premarital sex, poverty, and single motherhood didn't exist before "welfare." History: look into it
Those welfare mothers youre talking about - scratch the surface - each and every one of them has a past history of some sort of child abuse.
They primarily have babies to Have Someone That Will Love Them No Matter What, usually because no one ever HAS loved them...or maybe Loved Them Too Much IYKWIM, causing them to open their legs for every guy who looks twice mistaking sexual attention for affection.
Maybe they have a single mum themselves, and learned at a very early age that Men Wont Stick Around. This sort of thing does tend to be passed on through the line.
Precious few have supportive potential grandparents (maternal AND paternal!) waiting eagerly in the wings for a much wanted grandbaby.
Single motherhood as a Career Goal makes exactly ZERO sense in a capitalist society. They are literally dependent on handouts from a society which begrudges and critiques every penny, and in a world of nice cars and iphones, WHO would choose that?
Folk without choices, that's who.
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