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I do not like that this benefits law enforcement so much, but the more I think about it, the more I think I prefer thing like this to remain illegal, mainly because it keeps the Gvts greedy paws out of the game, like with the drug war, Its preferable to me, that ALL the money from illegal drug sales are NOT going to Govt, they are going to a criminal organization instead, and if you look at it from that perspective the US govt is worse than any drug cartel.
That’s nice for you to want to keep it illegal, but having it illegal is what allows abuses to occur with little recourse for women. What would the government have to do with legal prostitution except setting the regulations around it anyway? It’s legal in Nevada but still run by private entities. The government just sets the regs for licensing. Seems to work ok. Money that goes to state governments in sales taxes and licensing fees helps keep property and other taxes down.
I do not like that this benefits law enforcement so much, but the more I think about it, the more I think I prefer thing like this to remain illegal, mainly because it keeps the Gvts greedy paws out of the game, like with the drug war, Its preferable to me, that ALL the money from illegal drug sales are NOT going to Govt, they are going to a criminal organization instead, and if you look at it from that perspective the US govt is worse than any drug cartel.
Not much concern for ruining the lives of consenting adults? nor the victimization of the sex workers? There is also a wide spread abuse by law enforcement as well.
I do not like that this benefits law enforcement so much, but the more I think about it, the more I think I prefer thing like this to remain illegal, mainly because it keeps the Gvts greedy paws out of the game, like with the drug war, Its preferable to me, that ALL the money from illegal drug sales are NOT going to Govt, they are going to a criminal organization instead, and if you look at it from that perspective the US govt is worse than any drug cartel.
Really, you prefer criminal cartels do the legitimately elected Government of this "Great" country? You must be an anarchist...
Over the years in ministry, I worked with many 'street girls' who had turned to prostitution at one time or another. Later, as a result of their choice, a large percentage got heavily into drugs.
My unofficial estimate is that 80-90-percent said they had been molested as children and teens ... most often by stepfathers, their mother's boyfriend/s or their own father.
I didn't have much experience with strippers or illegals (or high priced call girls), but, in general, the prostitutes had often been victimized which, IMO, qualifies them as victims.
in general, the prostitutes had often been victimized which, IMO, qualifies them as victims.
A victim of sexually abused in the past should be protected from consensual sex? Is it not possible to be a victim of past sexual abuse but not be a victim in future consensual sex? Yes.. they are victims of the past abuse..
I know a few working prostitutes (my friends) that are not victims of past abuse and do no more drugs (weed and alcohol) than the typical individual. What about their rights?
I am friends with sex workers who are not under duress, working against their will nor victim. Not the types that you would find in a rehab, ministry, mental institutions, hospital, nor any other type of medical (physical or mental) institution. Why would they seek help... they don't need it. So admittedly, my view is from one side of the sex worker trade.
People who work in those health (ministry as well) services are going to be among sex workers who are under duress, under the control of pimps, abused, drugged etc, will only meet sex workers under those conditions. So obviously, it shapes their view on sex work.
However, walking these circles I do often meet women who "need help"... I've seen both sides. So I am a firm believer in also supporting those services that assist women living under those terrible conditions. Does keeping prostitution illegal help them find help? Not get revictimized by the system? Absolutely no.
Let's extend this to something less taboo than sex work... alcohol consumption. Lots of abused people suffering from resulting emotional issues attempt to self medicate with heavy alcohol consumption. They are victims of past abuse... does self destructive behavior of alcoholism qualify them as victims of alcohol? Should we ban all alcohol denying other responsible drinkers the freedom of that choice?
When you have laws that try to protect people from themselves, you almost always end up taking away rights from others. That's the problem with nanny state type laws.
Over the years in ministry, I worked with many 'street girls' who had turned to prostitution at one time or another. Later, as a result of their choice, a large percentage got heavily into drugs.
My unofficial estimate is that 80-90-percent said they had been molested as children and teens ... most often by stepfathers, their mother's boyfriend/s or their own father.
I didn't have much experience with strippers or illegals (or high priced call girls), but, in general, the prostitutes had often been victimized which, IMO, qualifies them as victims.
This is what is called a self selecting set however. We had a similar issue over on a thread about cannabis where a cop came in to tell about how nearly 100% of his experience with the drug was vastly negative.
The issue is however that by virtue of the work he does - and similarly by virtue of the work you do - you are almost by definition going to come in contact with the hard cases - the disastrous results - and the most victimised minorities.
The mistake which can then be made - which the cop on the drug thread did and you certainly are skirting on the edge of - is to extrapolate from that personal anecdotal and heavily skewed experience set to a generalised conclusion on the question as a whole.
Further - there is a large danger of correlation-causation assumption in what you write here. When you write "As a result of their choice, a large % got into drugs" - you simply do not know - can not know - that that causation exists. How many of them would have got into drugs anyway even without the choice to work in the sex industry - you could never know. We can only guess.
People who have been victimized - are victims. But the error we should not make is to suggest that the group they happened to be part of while being a victim are by proxy victims. Which I think is the question the OP was attempting to get at.
Most of them have been known to have a traumatic background of abuse, particularly sexual abuse. So, yes, they are victims of their past until they can understand it enough to change the present.
Most of them have been known to have a traumatic background of abuse, particularly sexual abuse. So, yes, they are victims of their past until they can understand it enough to change the present.
How many strippers and prostitutes to you know to make this claim?
And yes, I did look at the two links you posted. According to the one link:
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The vast majority of research studies in this area are conducted on primarily female street-based prostitutes
I don't know what percentage of prostitutes are street based these days, but I would think they are not representative of all prostitutes. Are there not prostitutes/escorts who operate more like a business and are not street walkers? Are there ones who hold regular jobs and supplement their income? Are they really victims?
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