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Old 08-05-2016, 06:21 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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It's the 21st century, and the government already has a vast database of eligible citizens via the Social Security administration.
How is the SSA database useful to the military when it comes to selecting draftees?
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In the unlikely event that the military needed to create a list of men and women over 18 to pump up a Cold War-type fighting force, they can pretty easily do that without forcing everyone to fill out a form with their name and address.
You have decided it's unlikely, but that doesn't mean it's unlikely.
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As it stands, since there will most likely never be a military draft again, getting rid of the Selective Service requirement altogether would be more efficient than requiring women to participate in this pointless bureaucracy.
Scrambling to collect the needed information after trouble starts is absurd. And there's another decree.
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Old 08-05-2016, 02:17 PM
 
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The next World War against an opponent with equal or near equal might will be decide not by man power, but by what powers man has created for themselves.
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Old 08-05-2016, 05:25 PM
 
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If all women are drafted, obliviously there won't be anyone left to reproduce if they all go boom right?

Not exactly the "best" of times to join the Military. Those who are already in it are surviving and trying to get out.
interesting excuse that many use. If a draft happens there is no way "All" women would be drafted. All it did was put women into the same pool of potential draftees
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Old 08-05-2016, 05:58 PM
 
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Hitler/German military was betting that the USA would not enter WWII due to the drain on manpower it would create. When told the United States had plans to use women in all sorts of jobs/industry to replace/free up men for service the same laughed their behinds off. American women of the period (at least those of White/European descent) were deemed too pampered and otherwise unwilling or able to rise for the occasion. We know how that worked out....


Being as this all may it does raise in interesting question; if you draft females into the military who is going to keep the "home fires burning" so to speak? If there was a war and the effort amounted to same as say WWII you obviously are going to need a good number of people out of the military working not only to provide support for the war effort, but to keep the country running as a whole.


If you take females into the draft and they are called up it obviously take some of the pressure off males; as total numbers would be made up from both sexes. But how many men if not drafted would be willing to step into the roles held by women that now have gone off to war; teaching, nursing, taking care of children, etc... It wasn't all just Rosie the Riveter.
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Old 08-06-2016, 05:29 AM
 
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The female politicians pushed heaven and hell to get women able to serve in any combat position. Not only that, but in many services and positions they continue to have a lower fitness standard than men of the same job.

They absolutely should have to register. Maybe more women would pay attention to what their congressmen are doing. Everything should be the same. Selective Service. Qualification and fitness standards.
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Old 08-06-2016, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Central Florida
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House Votes to Prevent Women From Registering for Military Draft




A lot of people are against it but a lot of people also say they should
I think not I feel against it, but if they do make them register it should be like they used to do it decades ago in Israel make them serve but only in a separate and much less dangerous way. It is bad enough that war takes the blood of our men why should it also take the blood of our women? Somebody has to stay behind to help run the society, and take care of the children and elderly in times of war.

I also agree with those in the military that say that having women serving next to men will be distracting and may bring out feelings of wanting to shield and protect them when danger happens that could interfere with the mission.
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Old 08-06-2016, 06:32 AM
 
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Before the draft ended in the 70s, the selective service categorized all the potential draftees according to whether or not they would be suitable for the military. This was done so they could minimize the waste of having people go to basic training and wash out. It's not just a waste of money, it's a waste of precious time, when time may be critical.

If the SS is not vetting those who sign up now, then we will waste a lot of time if we ever start drafting again. If this is the case then they might as well do away with registration for now. My feeling is that they should be classifying registrants if they are going to require registration.

Problem is, that 24Million budget likely won't be enough for it to work properly.

If they are going to continue registration then do it right and include everybody, but allow that fewer women, as a percentage, will be classified 1A.
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Old 08-06-2016, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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Of course they should. Equal rights means equal responsibilities. As it is if men don't register they can face penalties, fines, jail time and even be denied scholarships and such. Sure we may never need it again, but I view it as a principal of the matter.

And with more and more women taking up leadership positions and calling the shots I think it's only fair women have to bear the same burden as men.
I, as a female military veteran, totally agree with "Garchompa". "Equal" means "equal" all the time, now just when it is desirable and/or working to one's advantage.

We have an adult son with Down syndrome who turns 30 next week. We had to register him for the draft when he turned 18 years old. He functions at the level of a pre-schooler and, of course, would be exempted from draft if called up, but still, it is a requirement for males to register, ALL males.

I find women who demand "selective" equal rights an embarrassment to the rest of us.
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Old 08-06-2016, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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How is the SSA database useful to the military when it comes to selecting draftees?
Because the actual registration form (https://www.sss.gov/Registration/Reg...istration-Form) doesn't collect anything other than name, address, birthdate, and SS number, all of which the SS database already has. It wouldn't take much work at all to run a report of everyone who turned 18 as of a certain date. No need for an entire separate government bureaucracy to keep track.

And as was mentioned upthread, if that is all the information collected, then in the unlikely event of a draft there will be tens of thousands of people who will have to be tested for military fitness. There are more inclusive and fair ways to go about the process to include all qualified citizens (above and beyond sticking it to women, which seems to be the MO of this thread.) The Selective Service requirement in the 21st century is obsolete.
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Old 08-06-2016, 11:13 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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The next World War against an opponent with equal or near equal might will be decide not by man power, but by what powers man has created for themselves.
"I do not know what weapons will be used to fight WWIII, but WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones." Paraphrasing that smart guy with the funny hair.
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