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Old 08-03-2016, 08:03 AM
 
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Exactly. It would make more sense to get rid of the Selective Service registration bureaucracy for men than to create more government paperwork for women.
Even after our country was attacked at Pearl Harbor, a draft was necessary to obtain enough troops to win WWII.
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Old 08-03-2016, 09:54 AM
 
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Isn't it time we simply eradicate the Selective Service sign-up? It is a literal archaic vestige from an era were we beefed up our military to show off to the Soviets, hey look at us, we're tough too! About the only reason it is likely around is for the bloated military to us it as an excuse to keep the government overfunding them. Cause hey, you never know when there is going to be another BS war like Vietnam.
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Old 08-03-2016, 10:00 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Isn't it time we simply eradicate the Selective Service sign-up? It is a literal archaic vestige from an era were we beefed up our military to show off to the Soviets, hey look at us, we're tough too! About the only reason it is likely around is for the bloated military to us it as an excuse to keep the government overfunding them. Cause hey, you never know when there is going to be another BS war like Vietnam.
The Selective Service system identifies a body of citizens that can be called up in case of need. The need would have to be dire if that happened, and would be all the more urgent for it. When we're "on our actual brink" is not the time to go and find out who is the pool of eligible draftees.

We were fortunate that the President proposed and Congress agreed to a peacetime draft in 1940. We were, at that time, 16th in the world in Army forces, behind Bulgaria. The Army went from 116,000 to 1.8 million in two years and we went to 16 million by the end of the war. We actually stopped allowing people to voluntarily enlist because we needed certain skills and drafting those people was the way to get them.
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Old 08-03-2016, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Nebraska
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The very basic logic here is if you believe in equal rights or do you believe in maintaining women as a protected class. It's as simple as that. Equal rights means exactly that, not some perverted half way equal rights. Half way equal rights are not equal rights.

Whether you are a man or a women, equal rights would mean that women need to sign up for selected service and be eligible for the draft. There's no other way to see it.
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Old 08-03-2016, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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The Selective Service system identifies a body of citizens that can be called up in case of need. The need would have to be dire if that happened, and would be all the more urgent for it. When we're "on our actual brink" is not the time to go and find out who is the pool of eligible draftees.

We were fortunate that the President proposed and Congress agreed to a peacetime draft in 1940. We were, at that time, 16th in the world in Army forces, behind Bulgaria. The Army went from 116,000 to 1.8 million in two years and we went to 16 million by the end of the war. We actually stopped allowing people to voluntarily enlist because we needed certain skills and drafting those people was the way to get them.
It's the 21st century, and the government already has a vast database of eligible citizens via the Social Security administration. In the unlikely event that the military needed to create a list of men and women over 18 to pump up a Cold War-type fighting force, they can pretty easily do that without forcing everyone to fill out a form with their name and address. As it stands, since there will most likely never be a military draft again, getting rid of the Selective Service requirement altogether would be more efficient than requiring women to participate in this pointless bureaucracy.
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Old 08-03-2016, 12:25 PM
 
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It's the 21st century, and the government already has a vast database of eligible citizens via the Social Security administration. In the unlikely event that the military needed to create a list of men and women over 18 to pump up a Cold War-type fighting force, they can pretty easily do that without forcing everyone to fill out a form with their name and address. As it stands, since there will most likely never be a military draft again, getting rid of the Selective Service requirement altogether would be more efficient than requiring women to participate in this pointless bureaucracy.
Good point about the bureaucracy. Rather than focus your attention on including women, focus your attention on eliminating it. We're not Israel. We aren't South Korea. We don't have any neighboring countries with volatile diplomatic ties. Even warfare has changed since mid-century. Modern warfare is based more on technical prowess and less on boots on the ground.
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Old 08-03-2016, 01:22 PM
 
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House Votes to Prevent Women From Registering for Military Draft




A lot of people are against it but a lot of people also say they should
I don't see why not. Women deserve those benefits, as well.

If they don't want to serve, they'll just get pregnant, won't they? Expect a baby boom, then.

Once it's explained to young women that if they serve, they'll have all sorts of benefits throughout their lives, they'll probably be on board (not that anyone asked the young men). Ability to finance through USAA, housing assistance and special rates, benefits on insurance, medical benefits, death benefits, and other things both current and for the future.

They don't have to serve in combat positions. There are a lot of other types of positions.
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Old 08-03-2016, 01:33 PM
 
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I don't see why not. Women deserve those benefits, as well.

If they don't want to serve, they'll just get pregnant, won't they? Expect a baby boom, then.

Once it's explained to young women that if they serve, they'll have all sorts of benefits throughout their lives, they'll probably be on board (not that anyone asked the young men). Ability to finance through USAA, housing assistance and special rates, benefits on insurance, medical benefits, death benefits, and other things both current and for the future.

They don't have to serve in combat positions. There are a lot of other types of positions.
I really never understand this mentality that women will get pregnant to get our of something. Kids are loud, time consuming and expensive. If the sales of birth control say anything its that most young people don't want to get pregnant.

Also practically everybody under the sun can qualify for USAA. Its a private organization which loosely "requires" someone from your family to have been part of the military. Had a grandparent in WWII? (majority of millennials) BOOM! USAA card. It is nothing but a marketing ploy.
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Old 08-03-2016, 01:43 PM
 
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Good point about the bureaucracy. Rather than focus your attention on including women, focus your attention on eliminating it. We're not Israel. We aren't South Korea. We don't have any neighboring countries with volatile diplomatic ties. Even warfare has changed since mid-century. Modern warfare is based more on technical prowess and less on boots on the ground.


"and less on boots on the ground "


same was said after WWII ended.


How did that work out ?
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Old 08-03-2016, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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The whole Selective Service system should be shut down. It hasn't done anything in 40 years.
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