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Old 02-09-2018, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Nowhere
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We're growing at far too fast a pace for the planet to be able to sustain it.


At this rate, how many people will be on planet earth in a hundred years...200, 500 years?


How in the the world (pardon the pun) does anyone think this is feasible?
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Old 02-10-2018, 05:08 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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It is not the number of people. It is their location and behavior.

We have been hearing this for 50 years. "The Population Bomb" and all that. An example I recently read was 50 years ago 1 out of 4 people were hungry. Now 1 out of 10 are hungry and they are more than twice as many people.

Water and where it is may be a problem but there is still so much waste. Food production can increase with demand. So can energy production. I can't think of anything that cannot be provided if there is a demand.

I doubt many care about 500 years from now.
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Old 02-10-2018, 05:48 AM
 
Location: The Triad
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It is not the number of people. It is their location and behavior.
Nope. Location and behavior will/can mitigate some of the effects
but they aren't enough to counter the overwhelming numbers.

Then there's the issue of actually making location changes let alone and behavior changes work.
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Old 02-10-2018, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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We're growing at far too fast a pace for the planet to be able to sustain it.


At this rate, how many people will be on planet earth in a hundred years...200, 500 years?


How in the the world (pardon the pun) does anyone think this is feasible?
The problem with your reasoning is assuming that our population will continue growing exponentially. growth rates fluctuate, and sometimes wildly, just take a look at Lithuania.



Humans are not alone in the Animal kingdom to experience populations booms, the only unique thing is that this our first cycle. Prior to industrialization our growth pattern followed other megafauna animals such as elephants who have a stable population with minimal growth, now our population cycle will probably be more similar to rodents who go through periods of booms and rapid decline, most famous being lemmings.

Furthermore growth rates are already slowly slowing down. between 2005 and 2010 the global rate was 1.22% and from 2010 to 2015 it reduced to 1.18%

the global fertility rates have also been shrinking.

____Years | TFR
1950–1955 | 4.95
1955–1960 | 4.89
1960–1965 | 4.91
1965–1970 | 4.85
1970–1975 | 4.45
1975–1980 | 3.84
1980–1985 | 3.59
1985–1990 | 3.39
1990–1995 | 3.04
1995–2000 | 2.79
2000–2005 | 2.62
2005–2010 | 2.52
2010–2015 | 2.36

a couple more decades and we will be below replacement levels.
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Old 02-10-2018, 07:44 AM
 
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I doubt many care about 500 years from now.
Really? That certainly isn't what we're being told by the likes of some people (mainly left-wing politicians and celebrities).

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The problem with your reasoning is assuming that our population will continue growing exponentially. growth rates fluctuate, and sometimes wildly, just take a look at Lithuania.



Humans are not alone in the Animal kingdom to experience populations booms, the only unique thing is that this our first cycle. Prior to industrialization our growth pattern followed other megafauna animals such as elephants who have a stable population with minimal growth, now our population cycle will probably be more similar to rodents who go through periods of booms and rapid decline, most famous being lemmings.

Furthermore growth rates are already slowly slowing down. between 2005 and 2010 the global rate was 1.22% and from 2010 to 2015 it reduced to 1.18%

the global fertility rates have also been shrinking.

____Years | TFR
1950–1955 | 4.95
1955–1960 | 4.89
1960–1965 | 4.91
1965–1970 | 4.85
1970–1975 | 4.45
1975–1980 | 3.84
1980–1985 | 3.59
1985–1990 | 3.39
1990–1995 | 3.04
1995–2000 | 2.79
2000–2005 | 2.62
2005–2010 | 2.52
2010–2015 | 2.36

a couple more decades and we will be below replacement levels.
Lithuania is half the size of my state, Minnesota. That's not a good example of the global boom.



What about the "developing world"?
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Old 02-10-2018, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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I think we are all headed for a big bust. We have global warming that is changing the environment which is already having people leaving their homes for better areas that is putting stress on the better areas they move to. We also have economic issues not to mention wars that have people immigrating.

When more and more people move to areas that have limited resources there are bound to be problems. I don't know if the affects of this will be felt in 50 years or 100 but some may say we are feeling it now with immigration across our southern border and Europe has certainly felt it with immigration first from eastern europe and now from the middle east.

The thing is there are not many people that are looking forward 200-500 years, they can't even foresee 10 years.

Earth is due for a reset. Humanity is like a virus on the earth.
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Old 02-10-2018, 09:51 AM
 
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Earth is due for a reset. Humanity is like a virus on the earth.
That is one reason why Im starting to believe more in Panspermia. Every other species on earth lives in harmony in their environment, humans are the only exception to that. There has to be a reason for this.
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Old 02-10-2018, 10:13 AM
 
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That is one reason why Im starting to believe more in Panspermia. Every other species on earth lives in harmony in their environment, humans are the only exception to that. There has to be a reason for this.
There is. Industrialization, Politics and Corruption. That's a potently toxic combination.

Before we brought those things to North America, the native American Indians were doing a very good job at living in harmony with their environment. They were hardly a virus on the Earth, but rather a very natural part of it.

We have been doing that for almost 50,000 years. Not caring about 500 years in the future is very short-sighted and very common.
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Old 02-10-2018, 11:00 AM
 
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Populations expand to eat the amount of food available. When the food runs out, populations decrease. It's true of plants, it's true of fish, it's true of wild animals, it's true of people.
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Old 02-10-2018, 11:34 AM
 
Location: The Triad
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Populations expand to eat the amount of food available.
When the food runs out, populations decrease.

It's true of plants, it's true of fish, it's true of wild animals...
We're with you so far.

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... it's true of people.
Nope. Those others don't raise their own food.
But we'll still be limited by air and water.
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