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London's Major has done nothing of the sort, this is Government legislation introduced by the Home Office and passed by Parliament.
Sadiq Khan is not even a Member of Parliament, he's the Mayor of London, whilst the Home Secretary the person with the actual power is Conservative member of the Cabinet Amber Rudd.
The elected Mayor of London has no such powers to bring in any sort of such legislation.
Guns are not banned in the UK, you can own a shotgun or rifle, their are numerous sporting clubs and many people in rural areas use guns as part of their employment, as for knives as already stated you can legally carry a swiss army type utility knife with a blade up to three inches or any knife relevant to your employment or for any other good lawful reason.
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As for the new Offensive Weapons Act it's main restrictions seem quite sensible, in relation to the collection of on-line knife sales to prove age, restrictions on knives in colleges of further education, updating flick knife definitins (which are already banned) and maing it easier to define threatening behaviour. There is also to be an extension of Police Stop and Search powers which again seems a sensible response, as intelligence led stop and search of known suspects or gang members can only be welcomed.
No where in the legislation is there a ban on knives, and the knife laws relating to carrying remain as they were for the past three decades in relation to the Criminal Justice Act 1988 and the past 65 years in relation to the Prevention of Crime Act 1953.
The law being that you can carry a Swiss Army or utility knife with a blade of 3 inches in public, that you can carry other larger knives providing you have a reason to do so such as your employment. In terms of farmers and rutral areas, a lot of the land is not public and is private, the main areas these laws are enforced are in cities and more especially in problem areas, where intelligence led stop and search of gang members is a police tactic. Furthermore the police can arrest you for having any offesive weapon in public if they believe you are going to use it a crime, just as they can arrest you for going equipped to carry out a criminal act such as a robbery or burglary, and this especially applies if you have a history of such criminal behaviour.
Originally Posted by The New Offensive Weapons Act - Gov.UK
The government will also make it a criminal offence to possess corrosive substances in a public place and publicly consult on extending stop and search powers to enable the police to search for and seize acid from people carrying it in public without good reason.
The new Offensive Weapons Bill, which will be brought forward within weeks, would also make it illegal to possess certain offensive weapons like zombie knives and knuckle-dusters in private.
The commitment of new legislation will form part of the government’s Serious Violence Strategy, which will be launched tomorrow.
It will mark a major shift in the government’s response to knife crime and gun crime and strike a balance between prevention and robust law enforcement.
Other measures which the Home Office intends to bring forward within weeks include:
stopping knives being sent to residential addresses after they are bought online
changing the legal definition for threatening with an offensive weapon to make prosecutions easier
banning the possession of a knife on a further education premises
banning rapid firing rifles, and certain powerful firearms and bump stocks, which increase a rifle’s rate of fire
updating the definition of a flick knife to reflect changing weapon designs
As for the new Offensive Weapons Act it's main restrictions seem quite sensible, in relation to the collection of on-line knife sales to prove age, restrictions on knives in colleges of further education, updating flick knife definitins (which are already banned) and maing it easier to define threatening behaviour. There is also to be an extension of Police Stop and Search powers which again seems a sensible response, as intelligence led stop and search of known suspects or gang members can only be welcomed.
No where in the legislation is there a ban on knives, and the knife laws relating to carrying remain as they were for the past three decades in relation to the Criminal Justice Act 1988 and the past 65 years in relation to the Prevention of Crime Act 1953.
The law being that you can carry a Swiss Army or utility knife with a blade of 3 inches in public, that you can carry other larger knives providing you have a reason to do so such as your employment. In terms of farmers and rutral areas, a lot of the land is not public and is private, the main areas these laws are enforced are in cities and more especially in problem areas, where intelligence led stop and search of gang members is a police tactic. Furthermore the police can arrest you for having any offesive weapon in public if they believe you are going to use it a crime, just as they can arrest you for going equipped to carry out a criminal act such as a robbery or burglary, and this especially applies if you have a history of such criminal behaviour.
We'll have to agree to disagree about knife regulation being "sensible", as well as "stop and search" tactics being effective. The surveillance state in Britain, together with the lack of civil rights has created a generation of "helpless" and dependent people that is just antithetical to the average U.S. Citizen. The U.S. Is rapidly approaching a social breakdown precisely because our largest cities have become populated with a similar helpless and dependent mentality.
Any government strong enough to "protect" you is also strong enough to crush you like a bug.
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Not sure what point you are trying to make.
UK has very low gun homicide rates.
We seem to be making a big deal about London getting above NYC. That ignores the fact that NYC has the lowest homicide rates of any major US city.
Banning of certain knifes is a long established US tradition. When I was a teenager carrying a switch blade or anything with more than a 3.5 inch blade concealed was an infraction. That was 60 years ago. So nothing recent.
So what point are you making?
Hah, London is the acid attack capitol of the world. The girls can't even have pepper spray to defend themselves...rape at will in the UK. And if you do try to defend yourself against a criminal you will probably go to jail. If we didn't have guns we would still be a colony of the UK. Guns allowed up to be free and guns keep us free.
One thing always leads to another but this is nuts and unenforceable.
As an avid knife collector , I've carried a pocket knife (or a belt knife) of some type all my life, this idea is just flat not going to work. That is not unless it's further erosion of all citizens ability to care and defend themselves in a normal fashion.
Next thing is surrendering your kitchen knives............
One thing always leads to another but this is nuts and unenforceable.
As an avid knife collector , I've carried a pocket knife (or a belt knife) of some type all my life, this idea is just flat not going to work. That is not unless it's further erosion of all citizens ability to care and defend themselves in a normal fashion.
Next thing is surrendering your kitchen knives............
Failure of gun ban is hilarious seeing as London has a lower murder rate than all 50 U.S states from 2010-2017. New Hampshire is the closest to their rate of murder.
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We'll have to agree to disagree about knife regulation being "sensible", as well as "stop and search" tactics being effective. The surveillance state in Britain, together with the lack of civil rights has created a generation of "helpless" and dependent people that is just antithetical to the average U.S. Citizen. The U.S. Is rapidly approaching a social breakdown precisely because our largest cities have become populated with a similar helpless and dependent mentality.
Any government strong enough to "protect" you is also strong enough to crush you like a bug.
There is no knife ban, the same legislation regarding knives as set out in the Criminal Justice Act 1988 and Section 1 of the the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 in relation to offensive weapons still apply.
The Law has not changed and there is no new knife ban.
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Compared to most of the world, the UK is a very very safe place to live, and the murder and violent rime rate has fallen steadily since 2003, indeed it's halved, and the CSEW shows a continued fall.
Organised crime and gangs who supply drugs operate in most large cities, and the police including the Trident Gang Unit and National Crime Agency are wise to them and publish annual reports regarding organised crime activity.
New laws including those related to money laundering and unexplained wealth orders wil help bring down the senior gang members, and new violence reduction legislation coupled with greater powers of stop and search will help hamper the streets gangs.
A further more controversial way to stop gangs may be simply to provide free heroin and other drugs to registered addicts on the NHS, thereby causing the price of drugs plummet, which will have a knock on effect on orgasnised crime from the top to the middle men right through to the street gangs and pushers.
At least someone has the b***s to list the no-go zones.
Do you honestly think that London doesn't have a history of gangs going back hundreds of years, as do most other British Cities. If anything the gangs today are fairly tame, indeed the homicide rate was 2% back in Victorian Britain it's 0.9% today.
Gangs such as the Peaky Blinders from Birmingham are even serialised on the television, whilst the race course razor gangs as depicted in Graham Greene's 'Brighton Rock' were extremely violent. The 60's were a very famous time gor glamorous gangsters, such as the Krays (East End) and the Richardsons (South London), the Richardsons enjoyed nailing people to wooden floors and urinating on them for days (as potrayed in the film The Long Good Friday), as well as passing electrical shocks through the genitals of people who crossed them. Gangs such as the Clerkenwell Crime Syndicate (Adams Brothers) battled with other Irish Mob groups such as the Reillys. The Arifs were South of the River and fought long a battle for supremcy for years with the Brindle's during the 1980's, whilst the and the Hunt Crime Syndicare the subject of a recent Panorama Documentary currently run the East End today.
You had hardmen like Jimmy Burke (Conway) we had the likes of Jimmy Moody and enforcers such as Lenny McLean, Roy Pretty Boy Shaw, John Bindon, whilst the Krays would take people like Heavyweight boxer Rocky Marciano down to the local boys clubs and entertained the likes of Sonny Liston and Joe Louis. Whilst numerous stars including the likes of Barbra Streisand, Frank Sinatra, Judy Garland etc were friends, indeed Garland died of a drug overdose in London in the late 60's.
London was also a centre for gambling and Meyer Lansky and Philadelphia crime family boss Angelo Bruno were involved in the Colony Club in London, which was fronted by US Actor George Raft in charge, unfortunately Goege went on holiday to France and was prevented from returning to the UK having been banned as an undesirable. Antonio "Tony Ducks" Corallo a New York City mobster and later boss of the Lucchese family also had business interests in London and visited a number of times.
Today crime is very much multinational and organised crime gangs from across the world are linked and cooperate in what is known as McMafia, in terms of the streets gangs they were always low level and we have always had them, and they can usually be dealt with by investing in and educating young people. The more hardened international organised crime which operates at a global level and which likes to stay in it's own shdowy murky world is a lot more difficult to get rid of.
Today London is a very gentrified city, places suck as Kings Cross once an area full of underage prostitutes, heroin and rough sleepers is now totally changed, with the area now home to numerous tech companies and the same is true of numerous areas in London. Soho was wants the epicentre of the sex industry and organised crime but this has also now changed and London today depsite a few stabbing and some over sensationalised reporting is one of the safest cities of it's size anywhere in the world.
What is more gualing is that Americans, citing London as a violent city when many of there own cities and far more violent and are the cities with real no-go areas.
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