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Old 06-15-2019, 05:19 PM
 
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There was a big Time article on sex trafficking:

She Survived Sex Trafficking. Now She Wants to Show Other Women a Way Out
https://time.com/longform/windie-jo-...king-survivor/

But one idea I object to is this:

Sex trafficking is a form of modern slavery that thrives largely because its victims are dismissed as society’s castaways—hookers, addicts, the homeless—and because its signature act, prostitution, is often shrugged off as a victimless crime.

To me, one major reason it largely thrives is because of lot of girls, even in the face of modern feminism, are still not brought up with the ideas that it's essential to stay in school, it's essential to get a real job, and it's essential not to plan to coast on your looks. It seems to me that those three problems make girls easy prey.
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Old 06-15-2019, 09:49 PM
 
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It thrives...because there are tough laws against it, in place, this alone ensures it will have blackmarket availability.


And since it is the black market, there is no regulation, no quality standards, inspections, testing, etc.
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Old 06-16-2019, 12:26 AM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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Human trafficking is a problem & being trafficked for the sex industry is particularly despicable. Working in the sex industry, however; is not synonymous with being a victim of trafficking. In fact, trafficking in the sex industry rarely involves the actual sex industry market; it is an insiders, underground scenario that is more linked to human trafficking for all services, than it is to the industry itself.

The problem is that law enforcement agencies are capitalizing off of he ‘trafficking’ label to justify prostitution as a crime & then involving themselves with call-girls, street walkers & their regular hobbyists.

When it comes to the sex industry, the legitimate use of the word ‘trafficking’ is simple: The money from the client is not handed to the service provider. The money goes from the customer to the pimp/trafficker & then (maybe) to the provider. Escort agencies are not traffickers because the provider pays the agency their percentage, not the other way around.

Good agencies are unfortunately becoming very rare because they are being targeted as ‘traffickers’. Escorts are now trying to break into the industry as independents which is frankly dangerous. They should start with a good agency first. Some women prefer working with a pimp & that’s unfortunate. Self-exploitation is way too empowering to waste it on some dumb pimp.

I suppose the only exception to this might be a legal brothel, as I think the providers are considered employees. I still find this subpar, although some providers prefer the safety & convenience.

I really dislike how hookers & hobbyists are actually being targeted by LE as ‘sex trafficking’. It waters down the real criminal act, which is actually slavery.

I’m an outlier when it comes to legalizing & regulating. I wouldn’t want a paper trail leading back to the client. Some will say that ‘hookers are paid to leave’ & they are not wrong. Leaving, means gone without a trace, not gone but leaving a trail. Regulation also means the government wants a cut but their only safety provisions are offered to the client, not the provider. Not that they would know what it takes to keep a provider protected anyway & if they were to take their cut directly from the client, they will have just turned into the pimp.
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Old 06-16-2019, 01:28 AM
 
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If they legalized prostitution, then these girls can work for themselves, wont need to find a handler who may as well exploit these girls since they are committing crimes anyways.
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Old 06-16-2019, 02:16 AM
 
Location: La-La Land
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It thrives because of demand. Demand by perverted men. Until law enforcement start targeting and prosecuting the 'johns', and the pimps/mamasans then trafficking and prostitution will never go away.
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Old 06-16-2019, 02:19 AM
 
Location: Texas
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It thrives because of demand. Demand by perverted men. Until law enforcement start targeting and prosecuting the 'johns', and the pimps/mamasans then trafficking and prostitution will never go away.
This.
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Old 06-16-2019, 02:32 AM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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To me, one major reason it largely thrives is because of lot of girls, even in the face of modern feminism, are still not brought up with the ideas that it's essential to stay in school, it's essential to get a real job, and it's essential not to plan to coast on your looks. It seems to me that those three problems make girls easy prey.
On the contrary, the contemporary drumbeat is all about "women's empowerment" re: "stay in school, go to college, go to grad school, become a scientist/CEO/high-powered lawyer/etc." to the near-exclusion of regarding the traditional "family caretaker" role as a valid life choice.

The article is spot-on in many ways. Our society just can't wrap its head around what to do about the sex trade. It's dismissed as no big deal by some ideologues on both the right and left who see it as a libertine issue (right) or a female empowerment issue (left), and derided by other ideologues on the right and left who see it as a moral blot on society (right) and exploitation of vulnerable women by an uncaring patriarchal society (left). In the meantime, genuinely exploited girls and young women suffer while we sort out what to do about this mess.



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It thrives because of demand. Demand by perverted men. Until law enforcement start targeting and prosecuting the 'johns', and the pimps/mamasans then trafficking and prostitution will never go away.
There's no shortage of "bust the johns" law enforcement sting operations. The problem is, there's an inexhaustible supply of lonely and horny men willing to risk being swept up in a john sting. While these stings may have a place in targeted applications, you'll never arrest enough johns to quell the appetite for sex among men who can't get it anywhere else.

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Old 06-16-2019, 05:33 AM
 
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There's no shortage of "bust the johns" law enforcement sting operations. The problem is, there's an inexhaustible supply of lonely and horny men willing to risk being swept up in a john sting. While these stings may have a place in targeted applications, you'll never arrest enough johns to quell the appetite for sex among men who can't get it anywhere else.
Such an unfortunate truth.
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Old 06-16-2019, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Southern MN
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There's no shortage of "bust the johns" law enforcement sting operations. The problem is, there's an inexhaustible supply of lonely and horny men willing to risk being swept up in a john sting. While these stings may have a place in targeted applications, you'll never arrest enough johns to quell the appetite for sex among men who can't get it anywhere else.
Just throwing out a general idea about social attitude for consideration:

Why don't men have means to satisfy their own sexual urges? This appears to be a particularly male point of view that a partner is necessary in order to be satisfied. It implies that a woman or partner must be available because of men's needs regardless of social cost. I hear it frequently when people justify prostitution.

The earlier statement that a woman is paid to relieve the customer and then disappear demonstrates how little actual value she has in the transaction.

Certainly there are a majority of women without partners who "can't get it anywhere else" who don't seek out people who are selling sex. Why would a man have to have a body available any more than a woman?

Is it possible that this difference between the sexes and a male predominant attitude that someone must service them be part of the problem?
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Old 06-16-2019, 07:10 AM
 
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Just throwing out a general idea about social attitude for consideration:

Why don't men have means to satisfy their own sexual urges? This appears to be a particularly male point of view that a partner is necessary in order to be satisfied. It implies that a woman or partner must be available because of men's needs regardless of social cost. I hear it frequently when people justify prostitution.

The earlier statement that a woman is paid to relieve the customer and then disappear demonstrates how little actual value she has in the transaction.

Certainly there are a majority of women without partners who "can't get it anywhere else" who don't seek out people who are selling sex. Why would a man have to have a body available any more than a woman?

Is it possible that this difference between the sexes and a male predominant attitude that someone must service them be part of the problem?
It may be.

There are a lot of reasons this continues to be serious problem. My observation that the real driver though is an inexhaustible supply of poor women who are willing to service the needs of these men.

We have had quite a number of massage parlor sting operations in the area that show up in the news media. I'm startled that there are so many women willing to work in massage parlors. I believe the police look at it like it is trying to play whack-a-mole. They shut one operation down and two more pop up. Many of the women are illegally in the USA.

I think the intention of stopping exploitation of poor women is a good intention. I also don't think the law enforcement community has the resources to accomplish it.

The key to ending this problem is to create an environment where these women have a place to go and can obtain some financial assistance and not fear things like deportation from the USA. Also preventing illegal immigration from places like Southeast Asia might help too.

I do think as things stand now, the problem is likely to get worse rather than better.
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