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For most of history, women or daughters were basically pimped out by their fathers. The fathers sought out the husbands, and accepting payment sometimes called dowries in exchange for their daughters. So in a way, women have largely always been prostitutes.
If someone mentioned fathers not wanting their daughters to take up that occupation, that is not actually the case. It is father does not want anyone else besides himself to be the pimp/manager. The father sees the daughter as his property, and his right to give her away and collect money.
For most of history, women or daughters were basically pimped out by their fathers. The fathers sought out the husbands, and accepting payment sometimes called dowries in exchange for their daughters. So in a way, women have largely always been prostitutes.
If someone mentioned fathers not wanting their daughters to take up that occupation, that is not actually the case. It is father does not want anyone else besides himself to be the pimp/manager. The father sees the daughter as his property, and his right to give her away and collect money.
Charming. I did some genealogy research and found an unmarried female ancestor who fascinated me. Women have not always been prostituted or sold.
I highly doubt that most fathers want to sell their children into prostitution. What have you been smoking tonight?
Charming. I did some genealogy research and found an unmarried female ancestor who fascinated me. Women have not always been prostituted or sold.
I highly doubt that most fathers want to sell their children into prostitution. What have you been smoking tonight?
They get sold to another family preferably for life. If something happens with in-laws, father will take back what is his. It is close enough. How far back did your research go? You need to do more research about culture. I sure your ancestor is anomaly.
It thrives because of demand. Demand by perverted men. Until law enforcement start targeting and prosecuting the 'johns', and the pimps/mamasans then trafficking and prostitution will never go away.
If men are perverted for wanting sex then women are just as perverted. It has already been proven that human males are biologically polyamorous. Our society has been brainwashed into believing that sex is somehow "nasty" and anyone who indulges in it outside of constrictive relationships is immoral.
Women also have sex with different partners simultaneously. They even cheat on their spouses. Are they perverted too?
If men are perverted for wanting sex then women are just as perverted. It has already been proven that human males are biologically polyamorous. Our society has been brainwashed into believing that sex is somehow "nasty" and anyone who indulges in it outside of constrictive relationships is immoral.
Women also have sex with different partners simultaneously. They even cheat on their spouses. Are they perverted too?
This is meaningless without a definition of terminology, and it can very easily become a straw man.
If you're talking about a desire for sex or being turned on even by taboo things, non-monogamy and even kink, then women, I believe, are absolutely as "perverted" as men.
But if you look at it in terms of...
- Who perpetrates the majority of violent rape?
- Who consumes the most porn in general, and the most in terms of content outside the bounds of "consenting adults"...such as child porn and bestiality? Men or women?
- Who is creating the demand for sex trafficking of underage persons, children? Who are the consumers of this?
...I'm going to guess mostly men.
What seems to make this conversation go completely stupid, is that just because most of the people doing the wrong thing are male, doesn't mean in the slightest, that most males are doing the wrong thing. It's not an attack or indictment of men in general to be aware of the facts and statistics of this sort of thing. But really as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter.
Thinking of these matters from a perspective of Team Men vs. Team Women is not productive. And it ends up being tantamount to saying that men can do no wrong, deflecting to "but what about women who do wrong?" and all of this argument serves only to screen and provide distraction and defense for those who ARE doing wrong, to be safe in continuing to do so with no consequence. Trust me, from the perspective of a woman discussing this stuff, I want ALL individuals guilty in matters of human trafficking, those who facilitate it, those who partake in it as consumers or exploiters, to burn. Men, women, rich, poor, conservative, liberal, I don't care. I'm not interested in whether they are on my "team" or not. All of them. Burn. Period. Full stop. I couldn't care less what motivated them to do it.
For most of history, women or daughters were basically pimped out by their fathers. The fathers sought out the husbands, and accepting payment sometimes called dowries in exchange for their daughters. So in a way, women have largely always been prostitutes.
If someone mentioned fathers not wanting their daughters to take up that occupation, that is not actually the case. It is father does not want anyone else besides himself to be the pimp/manager. The father sees the daughter as his property, and his right to give her away and collect money.
Actually you have that backward. A dowry is what the bride's family pays to the groom's family.
If men are perverted for wanting sex then women are just as perverted. It has already been proven that human males are biologically polyamorous. Our society has been brainwashed into believing that sex is somehow "nasty" and anyone who indulges in it outside of constrictive relationships is immoral.
Women also have sex with different partners simultaneously. They even cheat on their spouses. Are they perverted too?
I think she was calling the men perverted who have sex with trafficked girls. If you know a girl is 11 years old or in it against her will and you still proceed, that's not normal male sexual desire. Remember the topic, it's not sex, and it's not prostitution with willing girls/women.
For most of history, women or daughters were basically pimped out by their fathers. The fathers sought out the husbands, and accepting payment sometimes called dowries in exchange for their daughters. So in a way, women have largely always been prostitutes.....
You have misunderstood what a dowry is. It is property and money which comes with the bride when she marries into a man's family. It is not money paid to the bride's family.
Putting it into the commercial terms like those of your posting, it is more like this: "Look folks, take this gal off our hands and an extra five thousand smackers, three cows and a Chevy Impala will top off the deal.
Answer to OP: No, sex trafficking is not really mostly society's attitude. Sex trafficking involves non-consent of the people being used for sex acts, let's call it what it is: rape.
If the people doing the sex acts are consenting adults that's called prostitution.
Islam may be an exception. But the way dowry’s have existed for most of the world through most of human history it is what the brides family gives the grooms family. In poorer countries it is often is still the case. It came about because the grooms family is losing a male, which affects the family’s income, farm production, etc, so they have to compensate the grooms family for the loss of that male.
I don’t think it’s that everyone has a different meaning, I think it’s that Islam alone has a different meaning than the rest of the world. The widely accepted definition and practice is still as a gift from the brides family.
We still had dowries in a way for a lot of our own history, in that the brides family had to pay for the wedding until fairly recently.
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