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So, what about those of us currently using Medicare? We both have paid into it for 45 years. And, now, we pay for both Medicare ($135/month) plus a supplement. Will those who advocate for Medicare for all putting it under the same plan? If it is free or close to free, who is going to pay?
Exactly what I’m wondering. We paid for it, and are still paying for it. Now someone thinks everyone should get it free? I don’t think so.
The money you paid over the years wasn't for your benefit. Medicare has always been a plan where current workers pay for current Medicare beneficiaries.
The money you paid over the years wasn't for your benefit. Medicare has always been a plan where current workers pay for current Medicare beneficiaries.
You do have to pay in for 40 quarters (10 years) to be a beneficiary.
You do have to pay in for 40 quarters (10 years) to be a beneficiary.
Yes, that's what we who are on Medicare wonder about. We paid into it and we still pay for it.
But they're talking about giving it to younger people. Do they have to work and pay in for 10 years to get it?
I think calling it "Medicare for All" was the wrong choice of words. It will not be Medicare. It may be good health insurance that people pay into somehow but it's not Medicare.
I think calling it "Medicare for All" was the wrong choice of words.
It will not be Medicare (as it was created).
It may be good health insurance that people pay into somehow but it's not Medicare.
ding ding ding
That "somehow" of course (for most) will mean a payroll based deduction as contribution...
vs a payroll based deduction for private premium payment.
Getting it all away from an employment based approach should have happened YEARS ago.
The problem, the wrench in the works, is the number of LOW PAID people/households.
Until we can do something constructive about this oversupply of the unprepared...
that end of the equation will continue to be welfare ... also going by some other name.
Yes, that's what we who are on Medicare wonder about. We paid into it and we still pay for it.
But they're talking about giving it to younger people. Do they have to work and pay in for 10 years to get it?
I think calling it "Medicare for All" was the wrong choice of words. It will not be Medicare. It may be good health insurance that people pay into somehow but it's not Medicare.
Until we can do something constructive about this oversupply of the unprepared...
that end of the equation will continue to be welfare ... also going by some other name.
It's just so irritating that medicaid and welfare recipients get better care than I do, and I have to pay a part of everything. If the new system means equal benefits, then that'd be swell, but it seems so difficult to get away from the notion that:
"Well if you didn't work for a living you would have gotten that dental work/prescription/diagnostic testing for free!"
Some people avoid going to the doctor simply because they cant afford even their copay on demand, let alone the medicine or surprise coinsurance that may pop up. It's just so backwards that people without jobs should be confident in going to the doctor because they know they wont have to pay? How did we get into this mess?
It's just so irritating that medicaid and welfare recipients get better care than I do, and I have to pay a part of everything. If the new system means equal benefits, then that'd be swell, but it seems so difficult to get away from the notion that:
"Well if you didn't work for a living you would have gotten that dental work/prescription/diagnostic testing for free!"
Some people avoid going to the doctor simply because they cant afford even their copay on demand, let alone the medicine or surprise coinsurance that may pop up. It's just so backwards that people without jobs should be confident in going to the doctor because they know they wont have to pay? How did we get into this mess?
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It will not be Medicare. It will be Medicaid.
No, it won't be Medicaid. That's for the very poor. It won't be Medicare either. That's for people over 65 who paid into it. It needs a new name!
And the people in the middle will get good health insurance, as good as the people on Medicaid or Medicare. It's not fair that the people in the middle get screwed. That's why it's called universal health care--EVERYONE will be covered.
It's just so irritating that medicaid and welfare recipients get better care than I do.
That's the price WE pay collectively for not being more assertive and constructive about Sex Ed and contraception
and all the rest. Those of us who have paid our own way in all these things (generally) took those initiatives on our
own and didn't create more than we could afford to support.
Who is responsible for the others?
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No, it won't be Medicaid. That's for the very poor. It won't be Medicare either.
You're still stuck on the labels (which don't really matter at all).
That's the price WE pay collectively for not being more assertive and constructive about Sex Ed and contraception
and all the rest. Those of us who have paid our own way in all these things (generally) took those initiatives on our
own and didn't create more than we could afford to support.
Who is responsible for the others?
You're still stuck on the labels (which don't really matter at all).
It matters to those of us who are currently on Medicare. We paid into it, we still pay monthly premiums, and now everyone is going to get it for free? Younger people are paying for it--every working person is paying into it. But we paid into it for our ENTIRE working lives, not just a few years.
We still pay premiums. So to us, the idea that what we paid for and still pay for is going to be free for everyone, isn't fair. That's why the name matters--to us.
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