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Oh, I'd include almost everything. But some of yours I don't know if they're a matter of etiquette, like pushing your chair under your desk.
You could always speak up. A friend of mine told a funny story about a guy next to her, on a bus, sneezing. And she said, sharply, "Please cover your mouth when you sneeze!" And the woman on the other side, chimed in with "Yes!"
Yes, I am not sure that putting a chair away or covering your mouth when you sneeze is so much a matter of etiquette as it is of safety/hygiene. I remember when I went to China some time ago and they had billboards with images telling people not to hawk loogies in Shanghai because it’s just not sanitary to be spitting saliva and mucus up all over the place... I would literally be waiting at a crosswalk and there would be people prepping and hawking behind me.
Etiquette is the wrong word, and will throw it off-course. It's a need more along the lines of ethics / civility, common sense, and health habits. Etiquette is above and beyond what is necessary.
And this is less about what's taught in school, and more about what is taught (and reinforced) in the home, and in public with the family, etc. It's also heavily cultural. If culture doesn't value it, it won't matter where it is attempted do be taught.
I'd be all for etiquette, ethics, civility and just plain old decency as required curriculum. Let's toss in some driver training as well (but that's another thread). Ethics used to be required for all undergrads but my younger coworkers say it is no longer required.
As for your second statement, you're absolutely correct at least in my own experience. I work where many, many cultures are represented. I'm fortunate in many ways to be shoulder to shoulder with these wonderful people, but those cultural nuances can wear thin at times.
One example is the simple act of saying "Thank you" or acknowledging a favor. It seems rarely practiced in certain cultures (India). Then there are those cultures who are known to be well-poised and gracious (Japan, for one). So we do get a variety.
Absolutely! My sister is a millennial and so many times I have tried to teach her children etiquette at the table, etc., yet she tells them they do not have to listen to me and I am all fancy, etc.
Just like other aboves have said, it is morals, manners, etc. I try to teach them to show respect, etiquette, especially in public, however, they are not taught at home. This will not get anyone far in life.
Pretty sure in my area
( not going to do a broad swoop of american education system for it is vastly different).
The kids are still given the "all I needed to learn I learned in kindergarten"
<<<<<Share everything.
Play fair.
Don't hit people.
Put things back where you found them.
Clean up your own mess.
Don't take things that aren't yours.
Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody.
Wash your hands before you eat.
Flush.
Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you.
Live a balanced life - learn some and think some and draw and paint and sing and dance and play and work every day some.
Take a nap every afternoon.
When you go out in the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands and stick together.
Be aware of wonder. Remember the little seed in the Styrofoam cup: the roots go down and the plant goes up and nobody really knows how or why, but we are all like that.
Goldfish and hamsters and white mice and even the little seed in the Styrofoam cup - they all die. So do we.
And then remember the Dick-and-Jane books and the first word you learned - the biggest word of all - LOOK.>>>>>>>>
so given that foundation I am unsure that kids AREN"T taught that through out their educational years. How they apply it is another matter entirely.
Us adults rarely follow some of these guidelines....so if we can't apply it, we are not the role models to spout off that the next generation should do as we say and not as we do or not.
It's about keeping our standards high. It's not about "anything goes."
Regarding restaurants, there are people who let their kids leave the table and run all around. If you can't make your kids sit at a table, don't take them out. They are not ready to eat in a restaurant. Same with the yelling and screaming (except for little babies who don't know any better.)
And same goes for the person who sits in back of you and keeps whacking your chair while you're trying to eat. Same for the people who are so loud that you can't even hear the person who's sitting across from you.
I think kids should be taught a few manners, like putting their napkin in their laps (makes sense--the food falls on the napkin instead of on their clothing), saying please and thank you, being considerate of others. Manners are about being considerate of others and they reflect upon the person's upbringing. Wait until they grow up and go on a job interview--manners will be obvious and they matter.
That IS "morals" for some-- the moral of letting other people live their lives the way they want to.
Which is better for kids?
Learning to open doors, cover their mouths, basic etiquette when they meet people, how to have a civil conversation with ANYONE ... or learning how boys can be girls and girls can be boys?
I suppose if you want to let "other people live their lives the way they want to" ... you really don't need either morals or manners. Maybe instead add a unit on how to be serial killer? Since, well, everyone can live the way they want. Just do whatever. Right?
It's about keeping our standards high. It's not about "anything goes."
Regarding restaurants, there are people who let their kids leave the table and run all around. If you can't make your kids sit at a table, don't take them out. They are not ready to eat in a restaurant. Same with the yelling and screaming (except for little babies who don't know any better.)
And same goes for the person who sits in back of you and keeps whacking your chair while you're trying to eat. Same for the people who are so loud that you can't even hear the person who's sitting across from you.
I think kids should be taught a few manners, like putting their napkin in their laps (makes sense--the food falls on the napkin instead of on their clothing), saying please and thank you, being considerate of others. Manners are about being considerate of others and they reflect upon the person's upbringing. Wait until they grow up and go on a job interview--manners will be obvious and they matter.
At one time our hospital’s housekeeping department conducted job applications and interviews a little ways down the hall from our office. I had classes in high school and lessons at home about how to conduct myself and dress for job interviews so I was shocked by how these people dressed to show up for their application/interview. The ladies were dressed in shorts and tops far too tight for their body shape and the guys were dressed in pants hanging halfway down their backside and “wife beater” shirts. They acted and talked like they were on the streets or in a rap video cursing up a storm. The interviewers were of the same race and couldn’t believe their behavior. Sometimes their behavior got so out of control during the interview process that security and police had to be called to escort them off the property. Some even accused the managers of “acting white” or being an “Uncle Tom” and threatening to sue for racial discrimination. One dummy during an interview even asked if he was going to be cleaning where they keep the drugs. They aren’t expected to show up in a suit and tie but if they show up in clean we’ll fitting clothing in good condition and groomed as if ready to start work that morning then they’re almost in the job from the first hand shake.
They aren’t expected to show up in a suit and tie but if they show up in clean we’ll fitting clothing in good condition and groomed as if ready to start work that morning then they’re almost in the job from the first hand shake.
Years ago, I was taught that to get a job, you should dress as though you are applying for a job that is one level above the job you are applying for. However, I think the new standard is to dress as you said above. My husband is in the engineering field, and it has been at least 25 years since he went to an interview in a suit and tie. The last interview he went on, which was a little more than a year ago, he didn't even wear a tie -- just a short sleeved dress shirt and dress slacks -- and he got the job. (He's 63, btw.)
Oh, and speaking of that, I have seen overweight young women wearing skin tight short shorts and a tank top at a retail store -- not a good look, imo. (And, look, there I go being all judge-y again! )
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