Assistance turned Occupation (unemployment, lawyer, FBI, statistics)

[Norm Barnes]

Becoming increasingly disgruntled on Attitudes towards us in Asia. It seems that our Entrance in a Nation to assist them eventuates to a point of escallated fear of occupation and the ability for our adversary to gather the support of the common man for our ouster. In short we seem to "outlive our welcome". We are a dynamic country and its tough to abandon a position we feel to be in the best interest of the world. It is even tougher to come to the assistance of a country whose people has "Contempt for Life". The continual Kamikaze type attacks shows this contempt to be at the very lowest of levels "An Individual". I believe I Love One who is the maker of all things but feel no need to threaten one let alone the world for his/her preservation. I would be happy with the return of our troops. Our welcome there seems to be a part of history. We should live to be liberators not the Occupiers and let history determine the nobility of our efforts.

[Cali BassMan]

Yep, time to bring the boys home, From Korea, from Germany, from Japan, from all overseas bases...Close them down and reopen some ones here,, be good for unemployment and save us some money....Let the rest of the world pay for thier own defence...

[jtur88]

Originally Posted by Norm Barnes

It seems that our Entrance in a Nation to assist them

If we "enter" nations that have the oil that we need, and we ignore nations that do not, how do you interpret that to mean that we enter a nation "to assist them?

Did you see us entering Sudan, Zimbabwe, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Rwanda, Burundi, Chad, Uganda, Ethiopia, Angola, Mozambique, Myanmar, Timor . . . to assist them?

[Norm Barnes]

Some of the Asian Countries export of concern is other than oil. How about nations that we did help: Turkey, Chile, England, France and a litany of others and going back a long way.

I hear that in order to promote Domestic Tranquility we stamp on others to rape their resource(s) -- Is that about right?

[jtur88]

Originally Posted by Norm Barnes

Some of the Asian Countries export of concern is other than oil. How about nations that we did help: Turkey, Chile, England, France and a litany of others and going back a long way.
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Chile? Where we assassinated the elected president a few days after he was sworn in, and replaced him with our puppet dictator who machine-gunned thousands of innocent people rounded up in soccer stadiums who had done nothing except support the president who had been freely elected? We helped Chile?

But you do agree, then, that "export of concern" is the criterion that we use in determining whether to help THEM or not? Did Anaconda and Kennecott have anything to do with that decision about "exports of concern" in Chile?

[Norm Barnes]

Six years ago, near the end of the Clinton administration, an FBI team reviewed new evidence that had become available in the case and recommended the indictment of Pinochet. But the final decision was left to the incoming Bush administration, which has failed to act while also withholding relevant documents from Chilean investigators.

“Every day it is clearer that Pinochet ordered my brother’s death,” human rights lawyer Fabiola Letelier told the New York Times. “But for a proper and complete investigation to take place we need access to the appropriate records and evidence.” [NYT, Sept. 21, 2006]

By frustrating the Chilean investigation, the Bush administration also is protecting former President George H.W. Bush against possibly being implicated in this act of terrorism, conceivably as an accessory after the fact for diverting suspicion away from Pinochet.

The Letelier-Moffitt murder is considered the worst act of state-sponsored terrorism in the history of Washington, D.C. At minimum, George H.W. Bush’s CIA operated with extraordinary incompetence and negligence in failing to act on explicit warnings about the assassination plot.

Thirty-Year Tale

However:
In response to the earthquake in Chile the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) has provided $1 million to the International Federation of the Red Cross The U.S. Southern Command announces the departure of a U.S. Air Force Expeditionary Medical Support team to Chile to conduct humanitarian assistance operations. 20 billion in public and private assistance in the country for the next decade``.U.S. officials said Chile would not have to repay any U.S. assistance

Remove Chile - Not! If Bush would have Thwarted the Assassin would that have been the right thing?

[Norm Barnes]

Unlike Kennecott, Anaconda depends on Chile for most (61%) of its production and half of its earnings. The company reports that its profits from Chile totaled $99 million last year

General Imports
2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
(In Millions of Dollars)
Chile 4,732 6,664 9,565 8,999 8196

99,000,000/8,196,000,000 or 99/8196

Obviously there was a greater motive than the Copper Trade - Agree?

[jtur88]

Originally Posted by Norm Barnes

However:
In response to the earthquake in Chile the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) has provided $1 million to the International Federation of the Red Cross The U.S. Southern Command announces the departure of a U.S. Air Force Expeditionary Medical Support team to Chile to conduct humanitarian assistance operations. 20 billion in public and private assistance in the country for the next decade``.U.S. officials said Chile would not have to repay any U.S. assistance

Humanitarian Response Index 2007 rankings: (Per-capita humanitarian aid)
1. Sweden
2. Norway
3. Denmark
4. Netherlands
5. European Commission
6. Ireland
7. Canada
8. New Zealand
9. United Kingdom
10. Switzerland
11. Finland
12. Luxembourg
13. Germany
14. Australia
15. Belgium
16. United States
17. Spain
18. Japan
19. France
20. Austria
21. Portugal
22. Italy
23. Greece

Read more: US Ranked Low in Humanitarian Aid - TIME

[Omaha Rocks]

^ Per Capita Humanitarian Aid.

Statistics don't lie, but Moderator cut: language certainly twist and use statistics to say what they want them to say.

[texdav]

Yep and that is government assistance. Looking at indivduals plus government OVERALL is much different.Then one has to look at the military cost in assitance they provide and the US provides alot just as in the sunnami that no other has the logistic to do. Looking overall aid is like lookig at UN assistance and in fact who reallty pays for the Un to exist at all.Much different picture really.