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Old 03-31-2013, 08:36 AM
 
Location: NC
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Never mind the data


Consumption bbl oil/yr per capita
USA 21.8
Germany 10.7
France 10.5
UK 9.5
Italy 8.9
+1. I've slightly favored increasing gas taxes in the US to reduce consumption for some time since we need to increase revenue anyway. Educating consumers hasn't helped, not sure CAFE will help either but time will tell. BUT higher gas taxes would have to be phased in slowly over a prescribed period (5-10 years?) to allow consumers to adjust/plan for it. A sudden large increase would be unnecessarily disruptive for suburban homeowners and gas guzzler car owners. It's taken us generations to create outsized demand for cheap gas, we should wean ourselves away gently. YMMV
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:53 AM
 
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Never mind the data


Consumption bbl oil/yr per capita
USA 21.8
Germany 10.7
France 10.5
UK 9.5
Italy 8.9
And the size of those countries compared to the United States?

Bogus numbers only believable to the gullible environmentalists......

USA...........6,592,768.87 sq miles
Germany....137,846.52 sq miles
France........211,209.38 sq miles
UK.............94,525.49 sq miles
Italy...........116,305.51 sq miles

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure the United States would have a higher oil consumption rate than those EU countries no matter how much they make.....

List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

GNI per capita, Atlas method (current US$) | Data | Table

Oh, and DC?, thanks for providing us with the source of those misleading statistics......

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Old 03-31-2013, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Northern MN
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What are you going to do with this tax?

You wish to drive up the price of fuel to drive down the use of fuel.

Lets make is harder to afford fuel, lets drive up the price we pay for everything, TAXES too.
Higher taxes as we will have more folks needing assistance as inflation takes over.

Think.
cause and effect, not be so short sighted.

If it's a good idea no incentives will be needed for investors.
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:11 AM
 
Location: DC
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What are you going to do with this tax?

You wish to drive up the price of fuel to drive down the use of fuel.

Lets make is harder to afford fuel, lets drive up the price we pay for everything, TAXES too.
Higher taxes as we will have more folks needing assistance as inflation takes over.

Think.
cause and effect, not be so short sighted.

If it's a good idea no incentives will be needed for investors.
I do think. That's why I don't come to the conclusions you do.
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:19 AM
 
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To me, the simplest way to reduce fossil fuel usage and carbon dioxide output would be to implement a much higher gas tax so that gas would be $6.00 or $7.00 a gallon. This would be so much more effective and efficient in comparison to alternative energy or bio fuels. Why do environmentalists not push for this?
It would only be effective if their were a viable alternate means of what the fossil fuels were used for. If there is not, then money will just be redirected to the tax increase and not the rest of the economy. A person still has to get to work; discretionary spending would take a huge hit, which is a large part of the economy.

The only goal in this would be to curb fossil fuel use, not to improve the quality of life for people.
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:20 AM
 
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And the size of those countries compared to the United States?

Bogus numbers only believable to the gullible environmentalists......

USA...........6,592,768.87 sq miles
Germany....137,846.52 sq miles
France........211,209.38 sq miles
UK.............94,525.49 sq miles
Italy...........116,305.51 sq miles
About 80% of the people from developed countries live in urban areas. How far apart those areas are doesn't really matter from a fuel consumption standpoint. An urban German faces a comparable commute compared to an urban American.
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:35 AM
 
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It sure doesn't look like it...

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I do think. That's why I don't come to the conclusions you do.
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:47 AM
 
Location: NC
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And the size of those countries compared to the United States?

Bogus numbers only believable to the gullible environmentalists......

USA...........6,592,768.87 sq miles
Germany....137,846.52 sq miles
France........211,209.38 sq miles
UK.............94,525.49 sq miles
Italy...........116,305.51 sq miles

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure the United States would have a higher oil consumption rate than those EU countries no matter how much they make.....
Driving is mostly "local" for most people, the size of the country is only a factor for the few who travel long distances regularly. Cheap fuel has allowed Americans to spread out and build distant suburbs like few if any other countries (notably Europe), that's pretty well documented, that's why we use more fuel - in this case we know which came first (chicken vs the egg). We typically drive over a larger area/radius as a result, size of the country has little to do with it.

If your argument holds true, how do you explain?

# 23 United States: 68.672 bbl/day per 1,000 people
# 144 China: 5.733 bbl/day per 1,000 people
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Old 03-31-2013, 10:08 AM
 
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It sure doesn't look like it...
I feel your lack of understanding.
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Old 03-31-2013, 07:03 PM
 
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About 80% of the people from developed countries live in urban areas. How far apart those areas are doesn't really matter from a fuel consumption standpoint. An urban German faces a comparable commute compared to an urban American.
Still waiting on sources rather than BS.....
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