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Old 11-09-2016, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Central Florida
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Kiss the EPA goodbye. Republicans are anti science. They don't believe in climate change. The green light to large polluters now. They are free to pollute our air and water without consequences. Everybody knows Republicans are shills to big business.
What can we do to prevent that ? It is my concern as well. Will they listen to the environmentalist lobbying?
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Old 11-09-2016, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Central Florida
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Good. Kiss the EPA goodbye. They have rendered themselves useless.
Most scientists and engineers I know are conservatives. We believe in climate change. How can any intelligent person deny that the climate doesn't change? That doesn't even make sense.
Do you not see the dangers of fracking and other forms of pollution ? Don't you want clean land, air, and, water for your children ? How would you protect that without the EPA?
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Old 11-09-2016, 11:25 AM
 
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Good. Kiss the EPA goodbye. They have rendered themselves useless.
Most scientists and engineers I know are conservatives. We believe in climate change. How can any intelligent person deny that the climate doesn't change? That doesn't even make sense.
As a scientist, the above is why numbers matter. The majority of scientists are democrats, some 55%, only 6% identify as republican.

Public Praises Science; Scientists Fault Public, Media | Pew Research Center
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Old 11-09-2016, 11:27 AM
 
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As for the person who thinks the EPA should be dismantled, pollution knows no boundaries. One of the reasons the EPA exists is because if one state decides to pollute there section of a river that flows into another state those people have no recourse. Federal protection of resources we all rely on make sense.
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Old 11-09-2016, 11:56 AM
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Good. Kiss the EPA goodbye. They have rendered themselves useless.
Most scientists and engineers I know are conservatives. We believe in climate change. How can any intelligent person deny that the climate doesn't change? That doesn't even make sense.
Its really not a matter of "believing" it. Its simply understanding it exists.


That's like "believing" America exists. It does exist, regardless of "beliefs".


As to the OP, unfortunately it will become harder. Unlike their forerunners, modern conservatives, as a group, are not interested in.... conservation. Corporate interests come prior to conservation. At some point, conservation and environmental protection unfortunately became a political issue. There was no reason this was necessarily so, but that's they way it went. And also unfortunately, religious leaders, who one might think would be a bit more vocal about abuses of God's creation, have remained largely silent on the matter.
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Old 11-09-2016, 12:25 PM
 
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What can we do to prevent that ? It is my concern as well. Will they listen to the environmentalist lobbying?
I do not think that the new congress will listen to environmentalist lobbying.
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Old 11-09-2016, 12:49 PM
 
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Of course the two most effective environmental protection laws in the history of this nation were both signed into law by a Republican president, e.g. the National Environmental Policy Act and the Endangered Species Act.
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Old 11-09-2016, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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I don't know of any Republican versed in the art of realpolitik, or any Libertarian who has advanced beyond Ayn Rand's logical-but-oversimplified dogma, who advocates either complete evisceration of common-sense environmental protection, or complete dismantling of the societal "safety net".

We simply want both taken out of the hands of "empire builders" who, insulated within the Beltway, are guided only by the premise that a bigger "problem" leads to a bigger staff, a bigger budget, and more unchecked power.

Return the greater part of these issues to local oversight and control, and the rest will take care of itself.

"But what about da polar bearth, Daddy?"

As for the great Global Warming alarm/hoax, it's time to borrow a line from the film Four Brothers, and "put the cuckoo back in the clock".

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Old 11-09-2016, 01:26 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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Perhaps no one noticed that it was Obama and his administration that approved lease sales for new offshore oil and gas drilling in sensitive Arctic waters off Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico?

https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/...3-15.2016.html
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Old 11-09-2016, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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Of course the two most effective environmental protection laws in the history of this nation were both signed into law by a Republican president, e.g. the National Environmental Policy Act and the Endangered Species Act.
Don't confuse them with facts. Go back to starving the elderly, and clubbing baby seals.
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