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Old 03-30-2017, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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No.

But unless you can come up with something with a few relevant facts involved, you can expect pushback. That is just how it works.
I don't have to have answers before I can question your suppositions. You can't tell me there are no holes in the theory of fossil fuel formation. Do you know what they are?
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Old 03-30-2017, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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So how do we get all that methane on Titan? https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/cas...e-sea-on-titan
AFAIK, this still an open question.

On earth, large amounts of methane are usually the result of biological activity - off-earth, it may not be. Keep in mind that just about all chemical reactions are dependent on temperature and atmospheric pressure. So how things happen here on earth may not be how things happen on titan.

Here's a decent article on it - https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...on-mars-titan/
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Old 03-30-2017, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Looks like you are taking me literally but not seriously.
I have no way of knowing what you mean except by the words you post.
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Old 03-30-2017, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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They have already found it. Shale oil deposits extend from the Dakotas through Montana, Wyoming, Utah and eastern Colorado.
Ah, so there's no more. Every barrel of oil that was supposed to be found is already found. Reminds of the US Patent Office clerk.
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Old 03-30-2017, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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I have no way of knowing what you mean except by the words you post.
I am not sure if you caught my drift.
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Old 03-30-2017, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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I don't have to have answers before I can question your suppositions. You can't tell me there are no holes in the theory of fossil fuel formation. Do you know what they are?
And I'm not telling you there are no holes - i.e., that we now know everything there is to know about fossil fuel formation. In fact, as a general rule, I think humans don't know everything about anything. However, when we know something well enough to run a multi-trillion dollar world economy on it, I think it's safe to say that we know quite a lot about it.
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Old 03-30-2017, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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Not really Larry. The methane in the rocks didnt come first. The oil did. Methane always disassociates under heat and pressure. It all probably started out as liquid or solid methane untill life came along. You know that we are carbon. Carbon is us and carbon is life. Most froms of carbon found on the planet today were living organisms of some sort and in the future will belong to another living organism.
The source of terrestrial carbon is an interesting problem in planetary formation. The early earth was a boiling cauldron of magma, way too hot for carbon and it is thought that any carbon was ejected from the planet. There is no known carbon in the core or the mantel of the earth, which makes up 99% of it mass. Carbon only exists in the outer crust. It is thought that the carbon on earth now is from meteor bombardment which for the first billion years or so of the earth's existence was common.

The carbon cycle that has been in existence for the last 2 billion years requires life. There was no methane or any hydrocarbon in the early earth - carbon has a higher affinity for oxygen than hydrogen and can only form hydrocarbons in an anaerobic environment or from certain kinds of cellular metabolism. Prior to life, the carbon cycle was essentially CO2 + water becoming carbonate minerals.
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Old 03-30-2017, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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So how do we get all that methane on Titan? https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/cas...e-sea-on-titan
Oil on earth consists of a mixture of long-chain and complex organic compounds; the ethane and methane on Titan are the simplest hydrocarbons possible. You find them in interstellar space, and the outer gas planets have small amounts in their atmospheres. Why is there so much on Titan? Who knows -- maybe it's Titan critters producing it (that has been suggested - life that uses methane as a solvent at -300F rather than water). Something's certainly renewing the supply of methane there.
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Old 03-30-2017, 09:26 PM
 
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I don't have a theory so that's why I am asking. I also don't think that the doubters have the burden of disproving the fossil fuel theory. When did it take up the perch in the first place to be knocked down? All I have read here are conjectures. Why can't we just say we don't know. Until someone actually creates oil from fossils, it's just a theory. I know it takes time but the smart scientist should have a workaround if they want people to accept their theory. As to the finiteness of oil, of course nothing is technically infinite but what if new oil is being created as we speak? Why are we assuming that we are sucking up oil from a finite reservoir?

No offense, but I suggest that you get educated before posting nonsense about a process that has been extensively researched and documented with data collected from thousands of source rocks all around the world for decades.

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Old 03-30-2017, 09:30 PM
 
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Ah, so there's no more. Every barrel of oil that was supposed to be found is already found. Reminds of the US Patent Office clerk.
I have no idea what your point is?

exploration activities continue worldwide. new discoveries are documented every year.
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