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Old 03-14-2024, 07:15 PM
 
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How China Came to Dominate the World in Solar Energy
Beijing is set to further increase its manufacturing and installation of solar panels as it seeks to master global markets and wean itself from imports.

China unleashed the full might of its solar energy industry last year. It installed more solar panels than the United States has in its history. It cut the wholesale price of panels it sells by nearly half. And its exports of fully assembled solar panels climbed 38 percent while its exports of key components almost doubled.
Get ready for an even bigger display of China’s solar energy dominance.
https://coldfax.com/2024/03/09/how-c...-solar-energy/
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Old 03-14-2024, 11:59 PM
 
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That article is really interesting about how China has come to dominate the global solar market. A few things that stood out to me - it's really impressive how they've been able to drive down costs through massive production and innovation. It's also smart that they're focusing so much on renewable energy to power their economy.
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Old 03-15-2024, 05:24 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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That article fails to realize that China's economy is thoroughly centralized, so the rules of supply& demand there don-t count. They could sell those products for any price they are willing to let them go for....

It also fails to realize that while China is installing more solar generating power, they are building coal fire plants even more quickly. You can't manufacture things economically on solar power. Making solar panels & batteries is dirty, energy intensive activity. Our "environmentslists" won't let us do it here, but it's OK for them to polute there for our sake.

China is trying to dominate the world's economy and they have the direct complicity of an American govt infiltrated by their agents. How else do you explain US policies so favorable to China's goals and so obstructive to our own?
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Old 03-15-2024, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Boston
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China has dominated the solar panel industry for 20 years. US can't compete.
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Old 03-15-2024, 04:28 PM
 
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Same pattern... a country hungry to advance learns from countries that are already advanced... then improves upon the technology or manufacturing to surpass the advanced country.

A dictatorship has one definite advantage over democracy... it's super efficient and just plows ahead with speed.

Here we have all these "interest groups" lobbying the government, oh we should do studies, take polls, do more studies, write decisions 2,000 pages long to show that we are thinking about it...

Meanwhile China has perfected the manufacturing of solar panels.

Obviously China is just concerned with their economy, but they are smart enough to know that green energy will be the future and fossil fuels will eventually be in the past. So yeah invest heavily in future tech now.
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Old 03-15-2024, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Four Oaks
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Never forget that China also controls the cost of manufacturing by controlling the salaries of their own people in every aspect of the process... from mining, processing the material, manufacturing, assembly, shipping, etc. And when I say "salary" I'm stretching the meaning of the word.

Having to power to keep your own people in poverty through dictatorship allows this monopoly to happen.
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Old 04-18-2024, 10:04 PM
 
Location: 5660 Strand Ct A209, Naples, FL 34110, United States
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Somehow not surprising...


How China Came to Dominate the World in Solar Energy
Beijing is set to further increase its manufacturing and installation of solar panels as it seeks to master global markets and wean itself from imports.

China unleashed the full might of its solar energy industry last year. It installed more solar panels than the United States has in its history. It cut the wholesale price of panels it sells by nearly half. And its exports of fully assembled solar panels climbed 38 percent while its exports of key components almost doubled.
Get ready for an even bigger display of China’s solar energy dominance.
https://coldfax.com/2024/03/09/how-c...-solar-energy/
China became really good at making solar panels. They made a lot more than the United States ever did, and they made them cheaper. They also started selling more solar panels and parts to other countries. Now, China is planning to make even more solar panels and stay on top of the solar energy game.
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Old 04-19-2024, 08:17 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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It took us a century to shake off our energy enslavement to middle eastern oil...Now we're sitting by as our own govt enslaves us to Chinese solar panels and batteries.

There's an old joke about how it only took three weeks for the Germans to over run a certain east European country in 1939. "They marched in backwards and told them they were leaving."

It's happening here now, no joke, folks. Better wake up and smell the soy sauce before it's too late.
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Old 04-19-2024, 07:19 PM
 
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Same pattern... a country hungry to advance learns from countries that are already advanced... then improves upon the technology or manufacturing to surpass the advanced country.

A dictatorship has one definite advantage over democracy... it's super efficient and just plows ahead with speed.

Here we have all these "interest groups" lobbying the government, oh we should do studies, take polls, do more studies, write decisions 2,000 pages long to show that we are thinking about it...

Meanwhile China has perfected the manufacturing of solar panels.

Obviously China is just concerned with their economy, but they are smart enough to know that green energy will be the future and fossil fuels will eventually be in the past. So yeah invest heavily in future tech now.
Of course. Like Mussolini making the trains run on time.
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Old Today, 04:53 AM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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At the extremes, you have a pure Command economy with state owned industries and the government setting prices, versus a pure Market economy with everything coming from individual entrepreneurs coming up with ideas - bottom up - and relying on and benefitting from profits, and the hybrid is a Mixed economy - with government involvement, but also entrepreneurs, profit, and the influences of supply and demand. North Korea has a Command economy, and China has a Mixed economy.

First the solar industry in China and more recently the EV industry in China - these were not purely bottom up phenomena. In both cases, the government decided that it was strategically good for the country to develop these industries, and then provided a range of forms of financial support to incentivize their growth. In both cases it's been quite successful.

There are those who say that any form of government influence in a market economy will necessarily lead to failure - clearly, that's not the case - we've got two very large examples above of it being successful in China. I'm not saying that government putting its finger on the scale can't lead to failure, nor am I saying that we should do more of it here, but I am saying that the simple dogma that government influence equals failure is at the least, not a rigid rule.
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