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Old 01-07-2010, 09:01 PM
 
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Jim Hoggan | The oily echo machine behind "climategate"

 
Old 01-07-2010, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Wyoming
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Yes we do know fossile fuel companies never made such large profits before and like to keep it that way, by spreading false info from "scientists" against climate-scientists.
Ahhhh, I hadn't heard that the story was supposed to be false. Hell, I can do that for $10 grand.

How's 'bout I write a story for both sides and get $20 grand? Plenty of false information right here on good ol' CD for both articles.
 
Old 01-08-2010, 12:15 AM
 
Location: Eastern Missouri
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Funny, that article didn't mention the HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS paid to scientist by governments and the un to make up global warming panic alarms. Now why was that? Facts are that if you are a scientist and want to get any funding at all and under a tax free grant, you will either go along with the lie of global warming or you will not get anything but put out of the science communnity. Thats a fact.
 
Old 01-08-2010, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Of course Standard Oil, EXXON etc want a global government to protect their global monopoly. Having government protection paid for by everybody is far less expensive then hiring your own mercenaries or paying direct bribes.

Paying under funded scientists for their "honest" opinion is expected from immoral businessmen that worship only Mammon. The point of this operation was to create doubt about the entire subject by creating a challenge to the real authorities. The funny thing is the world’s climate will change in response to the changes in the environment and “Mother” Gaia does not care A BIT IF MANKIND SURVIVES OR NOT.
 
Old 01-08-2010, 12:39 PM
 
Location: I think my user name clarifies that.
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^ So then what's the problem?

Global Warming Zealots keep talking about how we should decrease human population in order to save the earth. But you seem to think we're going to kill ourselves off.

And isn't that what you want? Less/no people, so that the earth can survive and be healthy again?
 
Old 03-08-2010, 06:17 PM
 
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How Stable Is the Methane Cycle?
Martin Heimann

Methane is, after water vapor and carbon dioxide, the third most important greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. Its concentration in the atmosphere has more than doubled since preindustrial times. Human energy production and use, landfills and waste, cattle raising, rice agriculture, and biomass burning are considered responsible for this increase (1). However, ~40% of current global methane sources are natural. Most natural emissions come from anaerobic decomposition of organic carbon in wetlands, with poorly known smaller contributions from the ocean, termites, wild animals, wildfires, and geological sources. Two observational studies now shed light on how these natural sources are changing in today's changing climate (2, 3).
How Stable Is the Methane Cycle? -- Heimann 327 (5970): 1211 -- Science
 
Old 03-08-2010, 08:12 PM
 
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^ So then what's the problem?

Global Warming Zealots keep talking about how we should decrease human population in order to save the earth. But you seem to think we're going to kill ourselves off.

And isn't that what you want? Less/no people, so that the earth can survive and be healthy again?
Death doesn't hurt, dying does. Humans as specie have two choices:

a) business as usual with inevitable Malthusian collapse amidst wrecked Earth biosphere.
b) "intelligent" design of resilient (as much as possible) future ensuring no man made kill off (as the very least).

Unfortunately, mankind applies its superior intelligence to invent countless new reasons why intelligent hairless monkeys are immune to natural and physical laws.
 
Old 03-08-2010, 08:35 PM
 
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Default Unbalanced climate info

Fossile fuel companies pump up money at a low cost, ie Exxon made a 40 billon dollar profit last year and like to keep it that way, as well as Hugo Chavez, arabs and Russians. So they invest a lot on desinformation against climate experts. Last year 500 million dollars was spent on TV commercial ads for misleading info. There are also 5 anti-lobbyists on each congressman.
Jim Hoggan | The oily echo machine behind "climategate"
Scientists offered cash to dispute climate study | Environment | The Guardian

Climate experts dont get extra pay to tell us facts and are almost united of what we need to do, sceptics are not and are no climate-experts, many of them get paid while the expert side must invest new money, so there are an unbalance.

Al Gore have not made a fortune on this issue, he made it on other investments and are only a messenger for our experts, but a very good one with most facts right.

Long before Gores mission and IPCC we knew there had to be something done, our climate may race ahead otherwise. Oil gas and coal have not been good in many years. We better save some for future generations and change energysystems, cause those fossilefuels are not endless anyway.

IPCC have only had a few mistakes out of 3000 reports, thats pretty good from an office of 10. They had all facts right in Group 1 but Group 2 made those few errors as Group one discovered after. It doesnt change our overall picture that we need to cut down CO2-emissions, cause if we dont, then comes more Methane as are 25 times worse/stronger than CO2 as a greenhouse gas.

With new medical inventions we may also live very long soon to answer for what we have done.
 
Old 03-09-2010, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Eastern Missouri
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Fossile fuel companies pump up money at a low cost, ie Exxon made a 40 billon dollar profit last year and like to keep it that way, as well as Hugo Chavez, arabs and Russians. So they invest a lot on desinformation against climate experts. Last year 500 million dollars was spent on TV commercial ads for misleading info. There are also 5 anti-lobbyists on each congressman.
Jim Hoggan | The oily echo machine behind "climategate"
Scientists offered cash to dispute climate study | Environment | The Guardian

Climate experts dont get extra pay to tell us facts and are almost united of what we need to do, sceptics are not and are no climate-experts, many of them get paid while the expert side must invest new money, so there are an unbalance.

Al Gore have not made a fortune on this issue, he made it on other investments and are only a messenger for our experts, but a very good one with most facts right.

Long before Gores mission and IPCC we knew there had to be something done, our climate may race ahead otherwise. Oil gas and coal have not been good in many years. We better save some for future generations and change energysystems, cause those fossilefuels are not endless anyway.

IPCC have only had a few mistakes out of 3000 reports, thats pretty good from an office of 10. They had all facts right in Group 1 but Group 2 made those few errors as Group one discovered after. It doesnt change our overall picture that we need to cut down CO2-emissions, cause if we dont, then comes more Methane as are 25 times worse/stronger than CO2 as a greenhouse gas.

With new medical inventions we may also live very long soon to answer for what we have done.

What a load of crap. Then explain why the artic ocean floor's leaking of heated methane is our fault? HELLOOOOOOOO. Think maybe that the Artic oceans water of -40 degrees should be ice but is liquid because of the weight above it ? How about explaining the effects of the under water Volcano's super heating water temps in the Pacific and south Atlantic oceans, as well as the Indian oceans is from man made? Kind of like that container ship that ran aground in the south Pacific 5 miles off of normal shipping lanes and come to find out it was a a currently under water island created by a volcano recently. But i'm sure the climate change liars will say it was man made or our fault somehow. And yes, al gore has made his money from lying about the environment. His "investments" were not profitable until the nuts that fall for his bs started buying the same stocks he started.The Environmental nutjobs are making a fortune off the idiots who believe them.
 
Old 03-10-2010, 11:30 AM
 
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Najt, you sound like the orchestra conductor on the Titanic. You have been lied to, we have all been lied to, you may want to read the current news once in awhile. Your entire post is so factually inaccurate that it comes across as a plant.

And its "Fossil" .....
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