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Hillary is pragmatic and motivated by politics, nothing else. She is not an ideologue with a set of issues. Basically she will tell anyone anything to get elected. She is carefully handled and packaged by professionals to meet this goal.
So what I am saying is, she is talking a big game now in the primaries about gun control. That is because she is trying to appeal to the far left extreme liberal democratic base and is given a run for her money by Sanders, who is extremely far left. Right now, she is not running for president, at least not totally, she is running to be the democratic candidate. Now, when she wins the primaries and is nominated, she will go more to the middle of the road since polls indicate most republicans and many mainstream democrats are against really restrictive gun control or, at least, for the status quo. So I suspect her rhetoric will be moderated. Note also her gun control remarks picked up with primaries in some of the northeastern states - traditionally liberal states with strong gun control laws. In Nevada she gives different speaches.
Likewise if or when elected she will be basing her platforms party on Democratic platforms but also continue to be professionally managed to base policy on the whims of public polls lest she lose the election again in 4 years.
The same could be said for Obama, who was more of an ideologue, but you can remember even he didn't really touch the issue of gun control either in his first 4 years.
I really think you are dreaming. The Hillary has moved left, and her platform will have to remain left if she expects to get the Bernie voters. The Republican candidate and those that oppose the Hillary will not let the voting public forget it. If she is elected president, God forbid, she has made it quite clear that she wants additional restrictions placed on firearms and only a conservative congress could stop her.
Be very very careful about politicians who think they know better than the general public. I will guaranty you that if it she is wins the election that there will be a massive run on firearms and anything associated with firearms....ammunition, powder, primers, casings. Go to your local gun store and look how fast things disappear from the shelves now and then think what happens if she is elected. I am slowly stocking up on components as I can afford them. The new saying is "see powder-buy powder, see primers-buy primers. Now I hope I'm wrong but.......
The liberal Dems hate guns. Guns are scary and the typical PC social justice warrior sees them as nothing but killing machines. If the madness continues and it will if Hillary gets in there is no doubt that we will see new laws being presented under the guise of "common sense laws"
I say how about enforcing the laws we already have and get the illegal guns out of the hands of gang banging criminals first.
Here is the short of it in my opinion, We have a new generation coming on line. They did not grow up with the red menace. They did no grow up with Andy Griffith, gun smoke or Lawn darts, running through a corn field, riding my bike to get somewhere. I grew up having to watch Soap on a 12 inch B&W tv with the sound turned down very low because if my parents knew I was watching it it would be the end of the world. The Z generation and some previous to them are coming on line, they grew up with soft core porn on ABC NBC and CBS and they do not even watch that because they have full on porn or what ever they want at their finger tips. They have the hate America first shoved down their throat at every turn in public schools and college. They have the idea that being white is a crime of privilege, Communism is not really a bad thing and if you say you feel like a different sex any particular day you can go into that bathroom. They are taught that its not black culture or the drug culture or crime its the guns. I see change coming and it is not good for guns in this country.
The liberal Dems hate guns. Guns are scary and the typical PC social justice warrior sees them as nothing but killing machines. If the madness continues and it will if Hillary gets in there is no doubt that we will see new laws being presented under the guise of "common sense laws"
I say how about enforcing the laws we already have and get the illegal guns out of the hands of gang banging criminals first.
I disagree, as a mostly liberal voting gun owner I think the vast majority of liberals just don't care about guns. Probably like an equal amount of conservatives just don't care about guns.
It is only the far left that hate guns and the far right that loves guns.
For me I just like to target shoot and have a pistol for in home and car protection.
I have absolutely no use for semi automatic rifles so if there was a limitation on magazine capacity I would not care.
On your second paragraph I agree completely plus mandatory jail time for anybody in possession of a gun without the necessary permit.
I am not going to bother reading all the posts but who put in the first gun and magazine ban, Bill Clinton, so if Hillary is elected then what else would you expect.
I do see a ban. Although I though there would be one long before now and may be guilty of not giving enough credit to gun owners taking the fight to the antis. That said we have a new generation coming on line. The Millennials, and they are a bunch of marshmallow pie in the sky nuts as a whole. I grew up never getting a allowance, that was something we saw on TV movies. I worked around the house because I was told I eat the food, get the cloths and enjoy the heat provided. My first car was a beater that needed work to make it road worthy and I scowered the junk yard to pick parts to get and keep it running. I am not saying there are not similar kids today but for the most part if you took away a Millennials phone they would shrivel up and die. These kids are being propagandized like never before. You have liberal teachers, liberal movies and actors all designed to push their minds like a head shaping board from Africa to form their minds. And its not friendly to guns. Think of this. Go back to the 60s and if you were gay you got your ass kicked if you came out in 99 percent of America, now its totally reversed, if you come out against the gay life style you get your ass kicked in 99 percent of America.
Dang, IT WAS GOOD TO HEAR SOMEONE SAY THESE WORDS WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT NOT BEING 'POLITICALLY CORRECT'
The gun laws in America are a patchwork of state and local laws along with Federal law where its legal to own an AR15 or AK in one state but not in all counties or in one state but not another. Mags are the same. All one has to do is look at the disclaimer on the mag and gun sales web sites for a list of where they will not ship a gun. If the Clinton gun law or 94 crime bill did not have a sun down provision in it, I highly doubt there would have ever been the right combination of president and congress to over turn it. We would most likely still have that law. Its not really a clear cut on who is going to be the next pres. I don't think the house will turn Dem this election but that said, If the Hildabeast gets in I would not be surprised if she pushes the executive order thing past what even Obama has done on guns.
If she did she would most likely also put forward a much more liberal SCJ to take the place of A.S. who died this past bit. Tipping the court could also make for some revisions of settled law like the idea that the second amendment is an individual right not a collective one. I think this is why gun sales are so high right now.
I hope to God that we never see this.
Might as well toss our the entire Constitution if this happens.
Pantsuit lady cant replace obuma
The only thing I see stopping the gun control train is if the election goes overwhelmingly to the Republicans. If not I see this as fuel to the gun control agenda. It was the 94 election that pushed back on gun control and it is what let the 94 crime bill die as the left and right were too afraid of touching it. That fear of a hot stove has worn off and the dog are back at the table looking for scraps or what ever they can get. I think it comes down to November folks.
The only thing I see stopping the gun control train is if the election goes overwhelmingly to the Republicans. If not I see this as fuel to the gun control agenda. It was the 94 election that pushed back on gun control and it is what let the 94 crime bill die as the left and right were too afraid of touching it. That fear of a hot stove has worn off and the dog are back at the table looking for scraps or what ever they can get. I think it comes down to November folks.
This is incorrect thinking, let me tell you why.
First, I am from New Jersey, so I've seen the anti's in action for a long time.
When the pro-gun community see a looming threat, it activates, and in many instances prevails.
As a group, the come together, pat themselves on the back, and congratulate themselves for having defeated the foe.
The "anti's" however look at the defeat more along the lines of simply a delay in their plan.
So instead of getting to their goal in 10 years... it takes 20....
The point, being they simply march on.
If they can't get a single "big step', they are content to take many more small steps.
I disagree, as a mostly liberal voting gun owner I think the vast majority of liberals just don't care about guns. Probably like an equal amount of conservatives just don't care about guns.
It is only the far left that hate guns and the far right that loves guns.
For me I just like to target shoot and have a pistol for in home and car protection.
I have absolutely no use for semi automatic rifles so if there was a limitation on magazine capacity I would not care.
On your second paragraph I agree completely plus mandatory jail time for anybody in possession of a gun without the necessary permit.
And after they get the semi auto rifles, they will come for your pistols, as in their thinking, the police are there to protect you and you do not need a pistol..
as far as permitting, Where in the 2nd, or in any of the Bill of Rights for that matter, say that to exercise these "Rights" you must get permission first ?
Did you have to get permission and pass a background check to purchase a computer and post your opinion on a board ?
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