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Old 04-10-2017, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Eastern Washington
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Generally the .22 tends to drift a lot in wind, high speed is actually worse than standard velocity, because wind drift is related to "delay time", the difference in actual time of flight compared to flight in a vacuum where the bullet would maintain muzzle velocity (I have read this and never worked through the math to really understand it).

If the bad groups were due to wind, you would have mostly horizontal stringing, rather than vertical or a big but round group.

The .22 rifles that "drive tacks at 250 yards" would be center-fire rounds.
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Old 04-10-2017, 03:40 PM
 
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I usually shoot my 10/22 at 50 yards with excellent grouping, extremely accurate. Shot the .22 at 100 yards yesterday for the first time on a windy day. Yikes! Extreme bullet drop as my sights were zeroed at 50 yards, hitting the grass 25 yards past the target. Once I got my scope back to hitting paper my groupings were terrible, maybe because of the wind, and bullets were still hitting the ground maybe 50 or 75 yards past the target.

I love the internet, go on some of the internet sights and they are all like "yeah mine is a tack driver at 250 yards". Riiigghhhtttt. Think I will stick with 50 yards for my .22, or try again on a less windy day.
See if any of the gun clubs in your location shoot small-bore silhouette. Little bitty targets shot at out to 100 meters. It's a fun game, and it will really teach how to shoot offhand. You can shoot it with any .22 lr you want to use, but the 10/22 (while a great gun) doesn't generally do too well. Most people tend towards target style bolt actions.
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Old 04-10-2017, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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My old Winchester 75 target shoots the day lights out of prairie dogs at 75-100yards. Super accurate golden oldie..
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Old 04-11-2017, 06:29 AM
 
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See if any of the gun clubs in your location shoot small-bore silhouette. Little bitty targets shot at out to 100 meters. It's a fun game, and it will really teach how to shoot offhand. You can shoot it with any .22 lr you want to use, but the 10/22 (while a great gun) doesn't generally do too well. Most people tend towards target style bolt actions.
My gun range has Appleseed clinics, I understand most of the attendees use 10/22s. Thinking about attending one, but a 2 day course...that's a lot of time.

I go bench shooting quite a bit and have some higher caliber bolt guns dedicated to long range, combined with shooting bags, I enjoy milsurp so I got a selection for whatever I want to shoot that day. My swiss K31 just cuts right through the wind and theoretically is good for 600 yards with extreme accuracy...or farther. But my range does have a 600 yard portion that I have yet to use.
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Old 04-11-2017, 08:15 AM
 
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My old Winchester 75 target shoots the day lights out of prairie dogs at 75-100yards. Super accurate golden oldie..
What a classic gun. My buddy (former MT state small-bore champ) has a couple of those, and they sometimes come out to play. The prairie dogs don't like it one bit.
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Old 04-11-2017, 08:16 AM
 
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My gun range has Appleseed clinics, I understand most of the attendees use 10/22s. Thinking about attending one, but a 2 day course...that's a lot of time.

I go bench shooting quite a bit and have some higher caliber bolt guns dedicated to long range, combined with shooting bags, I enjoy milsurp so I got a selection for whatever I want to shoot that day. My swiss K31 just cuts right through the wind and theoretically is good for 600 yards with extreme accuracy...or farther. But my range does have a 600 yard portion that I have yet to use.
Appleseed clinics are great, I highly recommend them. Another very good way to learn to shoot well.
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Old 04-11-2017, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Brighton, MI
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.22's are accurate to about 50 yards max. The cartridge is just not designed for long range accuracy. The bullets have a poor ballistic coefficient which makes them awful at overcoming wind resistance.

I also love people's claims of rifle accuracy on the internet. "My ___ rifle will shoot 1/4" groups at 100 yards 'all day long'". No, it wont. People shoot groups of 3 and get a fluke tight grouping, then call it a day and claim their rifle is like a laser. Ask them to repeat it and you'l never see that group again.
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Old 04-11-2017, 05:12 PM
 
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.22's are accurate to about 50 yards max. The cartridge is just not designed for long range accuracy. The bullets have a poor ballistic coefficient which makes them awful at overcoming wind resistance.

I also love people's claims of rifle accuracy on the internet. "My ___ rifle will shoot 1/4" groups at 100 yards 'all day long'". No, it wont. People shoot groups of 3 and get a fluke tight grouping, then call it a day and claim their rifle is like a laser. Ask them to repeat it and you'l never see that group again.
I routinely shoot prairie dogs from my kitchen window out into the field at 75-100 yards with match grade lead head ammo. Sitting at the window, 12" sill, long sandbag. I only shoot Winchester target .22's- that is all that old gun ever sees.

But you are correct- if the wind is blowing it do require a little Kentucky windage, lol.

It makes a cool sound when hitting a PD too.. Kinda like a 'wump' sound
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Old 04-11-2017, 06:33 PM
 
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.22's are accurate to about 50 yards max. The cartridge is just not designed for long range accuracy. The bullets have a poor ballistic coefficient which makes them awful at overcoming wind resistance.
Go to a small-bore silhouette match and you will see how wrong you are. 100 meter shots are routine.

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I also love people's claims of rifle accuracy on the internet. "My ___ rifle will shoot 1/4" groups at 100 yards 'all day long'". No, it wont. People shoot groups of 3 and get a fluke tight grouping, then call it a day and claim their rifle is like a laser. Ask them to repeat it and you'l never see that group again.
You need to get out more. Plenty of people have rifles that will do that. That you may not have experienced it with your own rifles and your own shooting doesn't change that.
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Old 04-11-2017, 06:48 PM
 
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It's more accurate than my old Colt HBAR AR-15 and my current franken AR-15. It's only match in my safe is a Mauser built .257 AI.

Those old Winchesters can flat a$$ shoot!
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