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Old 04-04-2021, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Manchester Township, NJ
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Sorry this is going to be long
When I moved to my present location about 8 years ago I looked for a salon to color my hair. Where I had lived Redken was the color that was used. Before that I home colored using first Garnier and then Preference. This new salon uses Lakme, a company that is located in Spain. They have a line of color products, including hair dyes and glazes, conditioners etc. I never cared for the fragrance of the hair dye, but the beautiful results I got from it was worth the smell, which would disappear by the second shampoo.

The last two times I had my hair colored I developed a hot red rash on my neck. Nothing on the scalp; just the neck which I thought odd since no color touched it. The first time it was about three inches big and disappeared in a few hours. I waited five months until my next coloring (I have about 60-70 per cent grey with a white swatch in front on one side), wondering if it might help as far as a reaction was concerned. So I made an appointment last week and they decided to do a small area as a test, in case my reaction was a "one off" thing. As soon as the colorist put color on my hair (same area) the redness immediately reacted and this time spread further towards the left and my ear, so of course that was the end of that.

No itching, no bumps no burning-in fact if no one told me I would have never known anything had happened. Again it was all gone within a few hours.

Now here's something I'm confused about, and also why I mention Lakme. The two colorists who tried to help using everything they could think of said that I can't color my hair again with any product as all of them contain that PPD or whatever that long name is and I should just go grey. I am not ready to do that as the beautiful blond really lifted my spirits and gave me some pleasure in life. And it went with my skin color and blue eyes so well.

Anyway (again sorry about the length) the colorists told me every hair product, even glazes and such contained that chemical or a version of it under different names. So I assumed Lakme has it as well. But when I go on their website the company claims it does NOT have it. Who am I to believe? I am looking for an allergist to have a patch test done in any case, but would really like some opinions on this. Am going through some very stressful things and this allergy was a really blow to me. I would appreciate anyone who would tell me if they ever heard of Lakme (not blaming the hair color) and what seems to be a discrepancy between what I was told by the salon and what is on Lakme's website.
Thank you so much.
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Old 04-04-2021, 11:02 AM
 
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The salon is probably covering their butt, they don't want a customer who is a risk.

You could go buy a drugstore brand in a shade close to your hair color and test it on yourself in a small area underneath. It may be some ingredient in the Lakeme product you react to that is not in other brands.
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Old 04-04-2021, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Manchester Township, NJ
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I was considering that. I did hear of some (rare) stories where people switched brands and did OK. I would consider Garnier, the last color I used before going to a salon. Still going to look for an allergist that could patch test me.
I really appreciate your response
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Old 04-15-2021, 07:16 AM
 
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Sorry this is going to be long
When I moved to my present location about 8 years ago I looked for a salon to color my hair. Where I had lived Redken was the color that was used. Before that I home colored using first Garnier and then Preference. This new salon uses Lakme, a company that is located in Spain. They have a line of color products, including hair dyes and glazes, conditioners etc. I never cared for the fragrance of the hair dye, but the beautiful results I got from it was worth the smell, which would disappear by the second shampoo.

The last two times I had my hair colored I developed a hot red rash on my neck. Nothing on the scalp; just the neck which I thought odd since no color touched it. The first time it was about three inches big and disappeared in a few hours. I waited five months until my next coloring (I have about 60-70 per cent grey with a white swatch in front on one side), wondering if it might help as far as a reaction was concerned. So I made an appointment last week and they decided to do a small area as a test, in case my reaction was a "one off" thing. As soon as the colorist put color on my hair (same area) the redness immediately reacted and this time spread further towards the left and my ear, so of course that was the end of that.

No itching, no bumps no burning-in fact if no one told me I would have never known anything had happened. Again it was all gone within a few hours.

Now here's something I'm confused about, and also why I mention Lakme. The two colorists who tried to help using everything they could think of said that I can't color my hair again with any product as all of them contain that PPD or whatever that long name is and I should just go grey. I am not ready to do that as the beautiful blond really lifted my spirits and gave me some pleasure in life. And it went with my skin color and blue eyes so well.

Anyway (again sorry about the length) the colorists told me every hair product, even glazes and such contained that chemical or a version of it under different names. So I assumed Lakme has it as well. But when I go on their website the company claims it does NOT have it. Who am I to believe? I am looking for an allergist to have a patch test done in any case, but would really like some opinions on this. Am going through some very stressful things and this allergy was a really blow to me. I would appreciate anyone who would tell me if they ever heard of Lakme (not blaming the hair color) and what seems to be a discrepancy between what I was told by the salon and what is on Lakme's website.
Thank you so much.
Every professional and domestic hair color recommends an allergy patch test at least 48 hours before using product.

See: https://www.wella.com/retail/en-AR/a...or-safety-test

This sensitivity test is done on your arm *not* head day of coloring. Because allergic reactions can develop suddenly this test is recommended before each time hair is colored even with same product that didn't produce a previous reaction.

PPD (P-Phenylenediamine) is found in both professional and at home hair colors across the board. You have to read labels carefully to determine if it is in whatever product considering using on hair.

https://www.safecosmetics.org/get-th...nylenediamine/

Despite potential allergic reactions and other things both customers and professionals keep with PPD formulated hair colors because few other things give same results especially when it comes to permanent or demi-permanent hair color. Heck even semi-permanent hair color nowadays isn't what it once was due to lower levels of PPD or none at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...r-dye-kill-you

Who ever is doing your hair should have boxes color came in or tubes/container which on either should list ingredients. That or find out exactly what Lakme color used (they have a diverse line of products), and look up ingredient list online, or send company an email asking for same information.

You can search out "organic" or "eco" hair coloring options that claim not to have PPD or anything similar. However again reason why hair color industry sticks with PPD is that nothing else will nail grey hair coverage, especially giving anything close to long lasting results.

Finally you may want to consider seeing a medical specialist to have various allergy testing done in an attempt to pinpoint exactly what is causing reaction. Armed with that information you at least could try to avoid products that contain that chemical or substance.
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Old 04-15-2021, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Manchester Township, NJ
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Default Thank you!

I appreciate the time people have taken to reply to my post.

More companies are now claiming they are PPD free but it must be replaced with something else, which can open its own can of worms.

I totally agree about a patch test, but over the years I have yet to find a salon willing to do one. A true test should be observed over a number of days and salons unfortunately consider it a waste of time and money. Many years ago when I was using boxed color at home I always did a patch test in advance of any coloring. But I do understand that salons are running a business and don't fancy mixing up the ingredients without performing a full service. They charged me for the test ($45) which probably covered the tube of color, among other things. In all honesty no salon has ever brought up the subject. And reading posts from all over the web it is apparent that many skip the test when coloring at home even though store bought hair dye always recommend it. One of the colorist did tell me one woman switched to another salon and found that Rusk Haircolor did not produce any reactions.

One thing that stood out to me was that the fragrance of Lakme's Chroma color was different. Which was a good thing, since I was no fan of their original scent. This might point to a possible overhaul of the formula but only an email to Lakme can help me with that.

Next month I'm seeing an allergist/immunologist and hopefully he can pinpoint what might be the cause. Although PPD is the biggest culprit, it may be something else entirely. Armed with that knowledge I can then contact Lakme and also go on a hunt for something different.

I have great respect for chemists. Looking at all these chemicals that have names that are 15 letters long, it must be difficult to learn about this complicated area of study. No wonder at my college those who passed the Organic Chemistry course received a bumper sticker "I passed Organic Chemistry"
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Old 04-16-2021, 04:44 AM
 
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I appreciate the time people have taken to reply to my post.

More companies are now claiming they are PPD free but it must be replaced with something else, which can open its own can of worms.

I totally agree about a patch test, but over the years I have yet to find a salon willing to do one. A true test should be observed over a number of days and salons unfortunately consider it a waste of time and money. Many years ago when I was using boxed color at home I always did a patch test in advance of any coloring. But I do understand that salons are running a business and don't fancy mixing up the ingredients without performing a full service. They charged me for the test ($45) which probably covered the tube of color, among other things. In all honesty no salon has ever brought up the subject. And reading posts from all over the web it is apparent that many skip the test when coloring at home even though store bought hair dye always recommend it. One of the colorist did tell me one woman switched to another salon and found that Rusk Haircolor did not produce any reactions.

One thing that stood out to me was that the fragrance of Lakme's Chroma color was different. Which was a good thing, since I was no fan of their original scent. This might point to a possible overhaul of the formula but only an email to Lakme can help me with that.

Next month I'm seeing an allergist/immunologist and hopefully he can pinpoint what might be the cause. Although PPD is the biggest culprit, it may be something else entirely. Armed with that knowledge I can then contact Lakme and also go on a hunt for something different.

I have great respect for chemists. Looking at all these chemicals that have names that are 15 letters long, it must be difficult to learn about this complicated area of study. No wonder at my college those who passed the Organic Chemistry course received a bumper sticker "I passed Organic Chemistry"
One lawsuit later a harmed client may own that salon, and everything owners of same, and or employee who performed color service or even remotely involved have.

Patch tests and reasons why are taught from day one in beauty schools, and covered in licensing exams. Failure to do so likely will also void any personal or business liability insurance, also company who made product will wash their hands of the matter because it was not "used as directed". Wella and others don't print those patch test instructions with hair colors for nothing.


https://www.thisuglybeautybusiness.c...o-sue-me.html#

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...301-story.html

https://www.bcoonlaw.com/personal-in...r-scalp-burns/

Yes, salon is running a business, so they should act like the professionals they pretend to be.
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