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It's an annual campaign that fortunately (for them) coincides with flu season. The less people that get treated with antibiotics, the more secondary pneumonia deaths.
The more secondary pneumonia deaths, the higher 'influenza & pneumonia' mortality. Higher mortality, more serious 'flu season'; more dire warnings to get your shots.
They should change it to May or something, for the sake of perceived impropriety.
Fact: Taking antibiotics puts one at risk for C. diff because of what they do to the microbiome. Antibiotics are a risk factor and always were. If you disagree with this, take it up with the CDC.
Overuse, or really over-PRESCRIBED antibiotics, led to superbugs.
Right, it's not a conspiracy. It's a fight for control. Drug companies are fiercely fighting for control over human excrement (fecal transplants). They have spent hundreds of millions on the fight already. Will drug companies win the poop wars or will hospitals and doctors? If drug companies lose the war, they may have no choice but to go for new antibiotics. Keep the public scared because taxpayer funds will be needed to develop treatments that are less effective than poop.
So you want to see new antibiotics. Where does it end? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is insanity. Oh, this time they won't be over-prescribed, right? How would that be determined? New antibiotics = new superbugs, never ending cycle. A newer and better treatment has come to town but it's involved in a war right now.
The bugs started evolving to resist the antibiotics as soon as they were introduced. Heavier use just accelerates the problem. The article in the OP is not just about C. diff. There are other infections for which fecal transplants would not help.
There is no Big Pharma push to control poop transplants. They will still need to find new drugs to treat infections other than C. diff.
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Originally Posted by coschristi
Of course it's 'news'. U.S. Antibiotic Awareness Week is November 18-24, 2019.
It's an annual campaign that fortunately (for them) coincides with flu season. The less people that get treated with antibiotics, the more secondary pneumonia deaths.
The more secondary pneumonia deaths, the higher 'influenza & pneumonia' mortality. Higher mortality, more serious 'flu season'; more dire warnings to get your shots.
They should change it to May or something, for the sake of perceived impropriety.
There is no grand conspiracy to kill people with flu by withholding antibiotics in order to sell more flu vaccine.
The best way to slow down antibiotic resistance is to prevent the infection in the first place. That is what the flu vaccine does. While it is not 100% effective, it does prevent thousands of infections and when a vaccinated person does get flu, it tends to be milder, with fewer complications needing hospitalization, including secondary bacterial infections.
The first line of treatment for flu is not antibacterial drugs but antivirals.
On antibacterial treatment, from the Infectious Disease Society of America:
"VI. In a patient with suspected or confirmed influenza, when should bacterial coinfection of the upper or lower respiratory tract be considered, investigated, and treated?
Clinicians should investigate and empirically treat bacterial coinfection in patients with suspected or laboratory-confirmed influenza who present initially with severe disease (extensive pneumonia, respiratory failure, hypotension, and fever), in addition to antiviral treatment for influenza (A-II).
Clinicians should investigate and empirically treat bacterial coinfection in patients who deteriorate after initial improvement, particularly in those treated with antivirals (A-III).
Clinicians can consider investigating bacterial coinfection in patients who fail to improve after 3–5 days of antiviral treatment (C-III)."
You see, there are guidelines for responsible use of antibiotics in flu patients.
It's an annual campaign that fortunately (for them) coincides with flu season. The less people that get treated with antibiotics, the more secondary pneumonia deaths.
The more secondary pneumonia deaths, the higher 'influenza & pneumonia' mortality. Higher mortality, more serious 'flu season'; more dire warnings to get your shots.
They should change it to May or something, for the sake of perceived impropriety.
So you think everyone with influenza should be treated with antibiotics....despite the fact that treatment of conditions that don't require antibiotics is one of the main reasons we have drug resistant bacteria...
Gotcha
You also think there is a some grand conspiracy among (them ) to kill people off during flu season by withholding antibiotics
Gotcha
Here's a thought...maybe (they) think it is a good idea to prevent deaths from flu AND prevent deaths from antibiotic resistance...
Best way to accomplish BOTH would be to promote flu vaccination AND promote proper use of antibiotics
Fact: Taking antibiotics puts one at risk for C. diff because of what they do to the microbiome. Antibiotics are a risk factor and always were. If you disagree with this, take it up with the CDC.
Overuse, or really over-PRESCRIBED antibiotics, led to superbugs.
Right, it's not a conspiracy. It's a fight for control. Drug companies are fiercely fighting for control over human excrement (fecal transplants). They have spent hundreds of millions on the fight already. Will drug companies win the poop wars or will hospitals and doctors? If drug companies lose the war, they may have no choice but to go for new antibiotics. Keep the public scared because taxpayer funds will be needed to develop treatments that are less effective than poop.
So you want to see new antibiotics. Where does it end? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is insanity. Oh, this time they won't be over-prescribed, right? How would that be determined? New antibiotics = new superbugs, never ending cycle. A newer and better treatment has come to town but it's involved in a war right now.
So what exactly is your point???
You previously stated that overuse of antibiotics did not lead to superbugs....now you agree it does
Also, it is really "overuse" of antibiotics that has led to superbugs not just "overprescribing"
"The high volume of antibiotics in food-producing animals contributes to the development of antimicrobial-resistant bacteria, particularly in settings of intensive animal production. In some countries, the total amount of antibiotics used in animals is 4 times larger than the amount used in humans. " https://www.who.int/foodsafety/areas...rfoodchain/en/
Unless you think cows are taking prescriptions to the drug store it is "overuse" not just "over prescribing"
Next point, this isn't a thread about FMT....C diff isn't the only problem superbug out there and other drug resistant bacteria aren't amenable to treatment via FMT
Do I want to see new antibiotics?? Without them millions will die from relatively innocuous infections every years so yeah.. I guess new classes of antibiotics that work against bacteria that are currently drug resistant would be a pretty good idea.
A newer and better treatment for ALL drug resistant bacteria has NOT come to town
80% of total antibiotic use in the US is for animals. Namely, our food supply. Maybe we an start by cleaning that up. So many of our current health problems are caused by crap in our foods. But it's all about money. Big pharma also makes the antibiotics given to animals. Food manufacturers don't help any, nor do companies like Monsanto.
I agree I've heard this too for years, abx drugs given to patients for issues that an abx isn't required.
Yes, and apparently the memo still hasn't reached everyone.
From the CDC:
About 30% of antibiotics, or 47 million prescriptions, are prescribed unnecessarily by doctors' offices and emergency departments in the United States, which makes improving antiobiotic prescribing and use a national priority.
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There is no Big Pharma push to control poop transplants.
Please educate yourself on the poop wars. Drug companies have raised millions from investors and formed an association to lobby the FDA to regulate poop transplants as a 'drug' instead of as 'organs, tissues and blood products that are transferred from a healthy patient as treatment for another' so that they can control and profit from it.
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