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Yes, sobok, I was trying to make you aware that the world outside Russia sees your soviet history very differently than what you were taught in Soviet union.
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Originally Posted by erasure
(I'm still waiting for biblical verses that can serve as a basis for constitution))))
Ha, ha. How about verses of Quran than can serve as constitution?
Do you realize that the Bible, Christian ethics and Canon law were all foundations of legal systems of not just one but each and every European nation at one point or another in their history?
Yes, sobok, I was trying to make you aware that the world outside Russia sees your soviet history very differently than what you were taught in Soviet union.
Ha, ha. How about verses of Quran than can serve as constitution?
Do you realize that the Bible, Christian ethics and Canon law were all foundations of legal systems of not just one but each and every European nation at one point or another in their history?
Nice try.
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You are not a Christian so you can't even understand how absurd is your theory.
And yes, of course you can turn a bible into a constitution or a law,
These are your words, so prove them with verses that can serve as ground for constitution.
(I've already showed you how many churches Stalin opened ( and didn't close, in spite of all your drivel,) so everything you are saying again is basically your own projections, your assumptions as usual that can't stand up to scrutiny...
So go ahead, and we'll talk about Koran later...
These are your words, so prove them with verses that can serve as ground for constitution.
(I've already showed you how many churches Stalin opened ( and didn't close, in spite of all your drivel,) so everything you are saying again is basically your own projections, your assumptions as usual that can't stand up to scrutiny...
So go ahead, and we'll talk about Koran later...
I already quoted Wikipedia which repeats after historians who believe it was all a ruse:
Wikipedia:
Hitler invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941, and many churches were re-opened under the German occupation. Stalin ended the anti-religious campaign in order to rally the country and prevent a large base of Nazi support (which existed in some areas in the early stages of the invasion).
and here:
Joseph Stalin revived the Russian Orthodox Church to intensify patriotic support for the war effort and presented Russia as a defender of Christian civilization, because he saw the church had an ability to arouse the people in a way that the party could not and because he wanted western help.
Can you read or maybe you believe that with your dubious soviet education you know more about history of Soviet union than historians?
You also claimed Quran, as opposed to Bible, can be turned into a constitution to which I responded that the Bible, its ethical teachings and Christian canon law were the foundations of legal systems of all European countries. I don't understand what is surprising to you here. The fact that Europe has been Christian for over a thousand years? The fact that European civilization has been founded on Christianity?
Hitler and Stalin were two people who wanted to uproot Christianity from our civilization replacing it with their own ethical systems and as a result they created monstrosities responsible for mass murders and human suffering on an unparalleled scale.
Of course Hitler was an atheist as he rejected Christian social and ethical teachings: he rejected the core of Christianity.
Ha, ha. How about verses of Quran than can serve as constitution?
Do you realize that the Bible, Christian ethics and Canon law were all foundations of legal systems of not just one but each and every European nation at one point or another in their history?
Actually Paganism was the foundation for most legal and political systems in Europe. Juries are a Norse Pagan institution. Constitutions, Democracy and Republics come from Pre-Christian Greece and Rome. The precursors to parliaments were the Norse Althings. Most of Europe runs on codified civil law which was a pre-Christian Roman invention.
The only real area of law in which Christianity is at the foundations is common law's matters at equity.
On the other hand if you want to argue that Christianity served as the foundation of law for divine right of kings and absolute monarchy then I won't argue, but the Constitution is the antithesis of that.
You cannot really turn the Bible into any form of Constitutional law because the bible does not support anything aside from rule by people chosen by divine right e.g. kings, profits, judges. It is irreconcilable with electoral democracy or a Republican form of government.
Actually Paganism was the foundation for most legal and political systems in Europe. Juries are a Norse Pagan institution. Constitutions, Democracy and Republics come from Pre-Christian Greece and Rome. The precursors to parliaments were the Norse Althings. Most of Europe runs on codified civil law which was a pre-Christian Roman invention.
The only real area of law in which Christianity is at the foundations is common law's matters at equity.
On the other hand if you want to argue that Christianity served as the foundation of law for divine right of kings and absolute monarchy then I won't argue, but the Constitution is the antithesis of that.
You cannot really turn the Bible into any form of Constitutional law because the bible does not support anything aside from rule by people chosen by divine right e.g. kings, profits, judges. It is irreconcilable with electoral democracy or a Republican form of government.
Not really. Laws are based on ethical systems and European laws reflect Christian ethic which is based on moral teachings of the Bible.
I already quoted Wikipedia which repeats after historians who believe it was all a ruse:
Wikipedia:
Hitler invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941, and many churches were re-opened under the German occupation. Stalin ended the anti-religious campaign in order to rally the country and prevent a large base of Nazi support (which existed in some areas in the early stages of the invasion).
and here:
Joseph Stalin revived the Russian Orthodox Church to intensify patriotic support for the war effort and presented Russia as a defender of Christian civilization, because he saw the church had an ability to arouse the people in a way that the party could not and because he wanted western help.
Can you read or maybe you believe that with your dubious soviet education you know more about history of Soviet union than historians?
You also claimed Quran, as opposed to Bible, can be turned into a constitution to which I responded that the Bible, its ethical teachings and Christian canon law were the foundations of legal systems of all European countries. I don't understand what is surprising to you here. The fact that Europe has been Christian for over a thousand years? The fact that European civilization has been founded on Christianity?
Hitler and Stalin were two people who wanted to uproot Christianity from our civilization replacing it with their own ethical systems and as a result they created monstrosities responsible for mass murders and human suffering on an unparalleled scale.
Of course Hitler was an atheist as he rejected Christian social and ethical teachings: he rejected the core of Christianity.
I see - hot air as usual...
So how many churches Stalin has closed out of 22,000 by 1950?
And how about those biblical verses that can serve as a basis for constitution?
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