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History of Relations between America and Russia.
Who that knows about it, please write. Why is the relationship between our two countries is always changing?
We remember the American War of Independence, the participation of Russia in the struggle took one of the most important. Why is this not remember?
History of Relations between America and Russia.
Who that knows about it, please write. Why is the relationship between our two countries is always changing?
We remember the American War of Independence, the participation of Russia in the struggle took one of the most important. Why is this not remember?
I think you are talking about the League of Armed Neutrality during the American Revolution. Russia, Sweden, Denmark and later on Prussia and some other countries formed the League and were trying to warn the British they did not like their behavior. First League of Armed Neutrality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The reason why Americans do not really remember the League is because France and Spain (and later the Netherlands) were actually at war with the British and actually sending troops and ships to North America. In fact many Americans really only remember the French contribution, the substantial Spanish contribution is downplayed.
Not to go off topic but IMO Spain has never been given enough credit for its role in the American Revolution.
During the Revolution, Spain had a number of rare victories against the British. In the first place, the Spanish stopped British invasions of Honduras, Nicaragua and St Louis (Missouri). Second, the Spanish successfully took over British posts at Baton Rouge, Natchez, Mobile and Pensacola. They also invaded the Bahamas and even took a British fort way up north in Michigan (Fort St Joseph).
My basic understanding that one of the events that created the most strain on US/Russian (really Soviet) relations was the participation of American troops in the multi-national campaign to try to save the czar's rule during the World War I period.
LINative.Yes, you're right. It is from the Russian British government hoped to get the help it needs. then the ratio between England and Russia were very connected and friendly. Meanwhile nemenee Catherine 2, otveogla (thereby acquired the enemy himself.) Parcel 20000th housing. Rumors of an unusual request of George III and the possibility of sending Russian troops overseas have caused serious concern in America and Western Europe.
But when there was a threat of the entry of France and Spain. England still hoped to win support Russia in the fight, if not anti-American, or at least against the European powers.
The position adopted by the Russian government, has received high praise in the United States. "We are pleased to learn a lot from a reliable source - Lafayette wrote to Washington in the spring of 1779 - that the requests and suggestions of Great Britain Russian empress rejected with contempt." Later, George Washington expressed that the Russian government to justify their position in terms bearing the imprint of "respect for the rights of mankind"
It should be noted international act adopted by Catherine II in connection with the war, was the declaration of armed neutrality.
Russia's actions have had considerable importance to improve the international position of the United States, undermining of the sea power of England and its diplomatic isolation.
At the meeting of September 26, 1780 R.Livingston made a proposal to admit that contained in the Declaration of Russian rule "useful, reasonable and fair." Like other members of Congress, he believed that Russia deserves a declaration of "the most urgent attention of the rising of the Republic"
Declaration of Catherine II, directed essentially against the sea of despotism UK, was beneficial for all other countries, especially the United States. This explains why its leaders welcomed the new republic, and the Continental Congress officially adopted the principles enunciated Russia. In the future, for many decades, the protection of neutral navigation has become a solid foundation of the Russian-American rapprochement.
Along with the proclamation of neutrality adopted another important international instrument. In the years 1780-1781 Russian diplomacy has put forward a proposal for peace mediation between England and its opponents.
My basic understanding that one of the events that created the most strain on US/Russian (really Soviet) relations was the participation of American troops in the multi-national campaign to try to save the czar's rule during the World War I period.
Another question-Why always talked about the power of the Spanish or British fleet, if for example the merchant navy of the United States was more than the English, French and Spanish together?
LINative ,Who remembers the realties in America? That during the American Civil War (1861-1865) Two Russian squadron for three years were in New York and San Francisco, protecting American shores from a possible armed intervention of the British fleet on the side of the southerners.
History of Relations between America and Russia.
Who that knows about it, please write. Why is the relationship between our two countries is always changing?
We remember the American War of Independence, the participation of Russia in the struggle took one of the most important. Why is this not remember?
The role of Russia and Catherine was much more "behind the scenes" than in direct aid. The Russians certainly were able to provide support for the colonists while maintaining neutrality. The reason Catherine took this approach was that Russia had just finished six straight years of war and had no interest in engaging in another conflict. Russian power added to either side would tip the balance, so Russia worked to mediate a resolution that would weaken Britain while avoiding getting directly into the war. It also made Russian markets a very attractive place for American merchants.
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You can read more about that please?
In the early years of the Russian Civil War the western Allies attempted to support the Czechoslovak Legion and White Forces against the Red Forces to secure Russian ports in order to re-establish the eastern front. After WW1 ended the western forces stayed and supported the White Forces until 1920, though the Japanese stayed until 1922. The following nations had troops in Russia with total numbers pushing over 255,000: Czechoslovakia, Britain, Japan, Greek, Polish, US, France, Estonia, Canada, Serbia, Romania, Italy, China and Australia. The US contingent numbered around 13,000 troops and were split between missions in Arkhangelsk and Vladivostok.
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Originally Posted by GreyKarast
Another question-Why always talked about the power of the Spanish or British fleet, if for example the merchant navy of the United States was more than the English, French and Spanish together?
The US merchant navy was massive, but all that ever gave the US militarily was a solid recruiting ground for sailors. The US did not have a large fleet of warships until the Civil War. For much of the time between 1800 and the Civil War the US only had a handful of "heavy" frigates and sloops-of-war. In comparison to the British, French or Spanish who counted dozens of ships-of-the-line in their navies, the US didn't stand a chance.
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Originally Posted by GreyKarast
LINative ,Who remembers the realties in America? That during the American Civil War (1861-1865) Two Russian squadron for three years were in New York and San Francisco, protecting American shores from a possible armed intervention of the British fleet on the side of the southerners.
That's not exactly true. The purpose of the visits was not to provide support to the US, but was to avoid having the Russian fleet trapped in port in the event war broke out between Russia and France and England over the Polish insurrection. Basically, if the ships were left in Russia they could easily be blockaded in port by the much larger and more powerful British and French fleets. However, starting from a US port would allow the fleets to escape to the open ocean where they could intercept commerce and cause havoc.
The Russian Atlantic and Pacific fleets each spent seven months between 1862 and 1863 in New York and San Francisco respectively. Later in 1863 to 1864 a single Russian squadron from the Atlantic fleet stayed in New York.
At the time the Russians were staying in US ports, the US fleet was larger than the British fleet and could have easily defended the US coast and possibly even hold the southern blockade without Russian intervention. Russia was trying to avoid war at this time, not join in.
LINative ,Who remembers the realties in America? That during the American Civil War (1861-1865) Two Russian squadron for three years were in New York and San Francisco, protecting American shores from a possible armed intervention of the British fleet on the side of the southerners.
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Originally Posted by NJGOAT
That's not exactly true. The purpose of the visits was not to provide support to the US, but was to avoid having the Russian fleet trapped in port in the event war broke out between Russia and France and England over the Polish insurrection. Basically, if the ships were left in Russia they could easily be blockaded in port by the much larger and more powerful British and French fleets. However, starting from a US port would allow the fleets to escape to the open ocean where they could intercept commerce and cause havoc.
The Russian Atlantic and Pacific fleets each spent seven months between 1862 and 1863 in New York and San Francisco respectively. Later in 1863 to 1864 a single Russian squadron from the Atlantic fleet stayed in New York.
Greykarast, I have read tons of American Civil War books. Unfortunately the contribution of the Russian navy is only rarely mentioned.
NJGOAT, I follow what you are saying that it is for Russian interests not American interests that the Russian squadrons stayed in US ports. However, it is possible that the Russians had more than one motive by selecting US ports. The question is how often did squadrons of the Russian navy overwinter in US ports from 1800-1900? If the answer is mostly during the American Civil War than it is likely that the Russians did it at least partially to help protect the Union.
The time period is important because there was a Polish uprising and threat of war between Russia, England and France, which happened to be the same time of our civil war. The Russian visit had nothing to do with us. The number of visits between 1800 and 1900 is meaningless and doesn't have anything to do with anything. As pointed out above, it was a cautionary measure to get the Russian fleets out to sea and in a safe harbor from which to operate, if the need arose.
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