the first Russian Tsar Ivan IV

[NJGOAT]

Originally Posted by GreyKarast

I did not say that Ivan the Terrible invited to become king of Lithuania. The Lithuanian people chose as their king himself twice Ivana.G.

Actually a group of Lithuanian nobles proposed and voted to make Ivan's son Feodor their candidate for king of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. The effort ended when Ivan named terms and conditions that were unacceptable to the Lithuanians and Poles.

During the war with Livonia and the construction of the Russian Navy (but historians tell us that Peter etobyl first) Large losses it suffered after he was betrayed. What do you describe Ithor Karamzin.

I never said he didn't build/have ships. There are examples of "Russian navies" going back to the time of the Kievan Rus. Generally ships were assembled for a particular campaign or battle and were often just pressed into service and retro-fitted as needed. Some purpose built ships also existed. What Russia did not have until Peter I is an actual permanent standing navy. That is what Peter created and why he is credited with founding the Russian navy. The Russian navy itself commemorates its anniversary based on when Peter I formed the navy. So, yes, Ivan IV used ships in his campaigns in Livonia and also against the Crimean Khanate. What he did not have was a permanently established navy.

[GreyKarast]

NJGOAT,I think you're right (in that you are right. Why do not teach in school - that in the years of his rule were free to Kristjan. But, with the arrival of Peter 1 to secure them. Oh, is that the IG was the court system by which he judged people. Such systems even existed in Europe.

[NJGOAT]

Originally Posted by GreyKarast

NJGOAT,I think you're right (in that you are right. Why do not teach in school - that in the years of his rule were free to Kristjan. But, with the arrival of Peter 1 to secure them. Oh, is that the IG was the court system by which he judged people. Such systems even existed in Europe.

I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say here.

[erasure]

Originally Posted by GreyKarast

Here are the letters of famous people. - About Europe.
Denis Fonvizin, brilliant Russian mind XVIII century.
Writer, satirist, author of the popular comedy "Oaf".

In 1784, Denis Ivanovich made his second long trip to Europe. Swept across Germany, Italy, France, carefully recording his impressions.

Fonvizina does not work attributed to the number of apologists of the Russian way of life and reality, and the more valuable to us his diary of the blessed region of Russian liberals and Democrats.
We strongly recommend to read. In health, so to speak, for the purposes of consciousness.


Nuremberg, August 29 (September 9) 1784
From my journal you will see that from the Leipzig to this town was very hard for us. The roads are hellish, nasty food, bed bugs and fleas showered.

<...> In general, I can fairly say that from Petersburg to Nuremberg from the balance of our country pulls strongly. Here, in all of our General to worse: the people, the horses, the land, the abundance in the necessary food supplies, in short: we got better and we are more people than the Germans.


<Italy> October 5, 1784
Bozen <...> is in the pit. <...> Residents in it half the Germans and the other Italians.

<...> Lifestyle Italian, that is quite a lot of beastliness.

Stone floors and dirty, filthy clothes, bread, what we do not eat the poor, clean their water is something that we slop. In short, we saw this threshold of Italy, dismayed...

Denis Fonvisin = Von Wiesen.

So just another German with case of bad indigestion complaining about the Italians - what's new in history


( OK GreyKarast, just kidding)))