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Old 05-04-2015, 08:23 PM
 
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So we were not always buddy buddies with England, how interesting...

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The war plan outlined those actions that would be necessary to initiate war between Britain and the United States. The plan suggested that the British would initially have the upper hand by virtue of the strength of the Royal Navy. The plan further assumed that Britain would probably use its Dominion in Canada as a springboard from which to initiate a retaliatory invasion of the United States. The assumption was taken that at first Britain would fight a defensive battle against invading American forces, but that the US would eventually defeat the British by blockading Great Britain and cutting off its food supplies.
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The war would have started against the Canadians first:

GLASNOST Berlin - A 1935 US Plan for Invasion of Canada
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Old 05-05-2015, 06:35 AM
 
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So we were not always buddy buddies with England, how interesting...
So that explains that whole-burning-of-York (Toronto)-and-Washington thing a couple centuries back...

Anyway, you've got to love the color-coding for the sub-plans: crimson for the part of the war plan involving Canada, ruby for India, scarlet for Australia - and the nice touch of abandoning shades of red to code the sub-plan for British Ireland as emerald.

But the notion of contingency planning is no real surprise - powers prepare for everything. After all, even our Canadian friends to the north had plans for invading the United States.


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Old 05-05-2015, 07:30 AM
 
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^^^

Didn't the Brits try that "converge on Albany" plan once before? I'm trying to recall how that worked out for them.
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Old 05-05-2015, 09:49 AM
 
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It was a hypothetical and strategic exercise, which was common among various nations back then.

United States color-coded war plans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 05-05-2015, 02:43 PM
 
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Given the fact that no two tested (no transfer of power save via the ballot box in the past 100 years) democracies have ever taken up the sword against each other, and the late date of the exercise, I have to believe that this fantasy was little more than an exercise in logistics rater than a serious consideration.
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Old 05-05-2015, 04:58 PM
 
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Given the fact that no two tested (no transfer of power save via the ballot box in the past 100 years) democracies have ever taken up the sword against each other, and the late date of the exercise, I have to believe that this fantasy was little more than an exercise in logistics rater than a serious consideration.
While it does not meet your suggested criteria, would not the American Civil War be an example of democracies fighting one another? Both sides were Constitutional Republics, both sides staged elections for their leaders while hostilities were underway.
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Old 05-06-2015, 07:40 AM
 
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While it does not meet your suggested criteria, would not the American Civil War be an example of democracies fighting one another? Both sides were Constitutional Republics, both sides staged elections for their leaders while hostilities were underway.
Of coure it couldn't, because the Confederacy depended upon slave labor.

However, I think it should be noted that the zeal of the most militant of the abolotionists, and their own desires for power to enforce their point of view intensified southern resistance and wasted hundreds of thusands of lives to destroy an institution which, like the Soviiet Union a century and a half later, would have expired due to its own inertia and unworkability.

The key to the preservtion and growth of democracy in any society is that the voter enteres the booth with the understanding that (s)he has more to lose bypochoices, than to gain via short-term opportunism.
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Old 05-06-2015, 09:51 AM
 
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This plan probably still exists in another name. The US military has and still have hypothetical war plans for just about any contingency you can imagine. Invasion of Mexico, Canada, what happens if xxx happens...you name it. That's what we pay them for. Every few years they dust them off and update them based on risk. Obviously Great Britian is not a risk to the US so it doesn't get dusted off too often.
Likewise most countries have there own plans.
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Old 05-06-2015, 10:38 AM
 
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Of coure it couldn't, because the Confederacy depended upon slave labor.

However, I think it should be noted that the zeal of the most militant of the abolotionists, and their own desires for power to enforce their point of view intensified southern resistance and wasted hundreds of thusands of lives to destroy an institution which, like the Soviiet Union a century and a half later, would have expired due to its own inertia and unworkability.

The key to the preservtion and growth of democracy in any society is that the voter enteres the booth with the understanding that (s)he has more to lose bypochoices, than to gain via short-term opportunism.
Having slaves does not distinguish a non democracy from a democracy. The Athenians had slaves. The North had slaves for the first two decades after the Constitution was written. So, there is no "of course" to it.

To be a democracy, all that is required is that holding and exercising political power is determined by a vote rather than appointment, royal blood, or the seizure of power via violence or the threat of violence. How many people get to vote within a democracy is a sub issue for that particular democracy, but limiting it so that some are excluded does not make a state a non democracy as you mistakenly seem to believe.
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Old 05-06-2015, 10:58 AM
 
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Given the fact that no two tested (no transfer of power save via the ballot box in the past 100 years) democracies have ever taken up the sword against each other, and the late date of the exercise, I have to believe that this fantasy was little more than an exercise in logistics rater than a serious consideration.
Yours seems a tortured definition of 'democracy' in order to get to the 'no democracies ever war against each other' end. What relevance is there to whether or not a nation is democratic if there was usurpation of power in that country 75 (or 50, or 25) years ago? Frankly, none. And if slavery precludes a nation being a democracy, would not limited suffrage (ie, excluding women in whole or in part from the vote)? If so, then the U.S. in the 1920s and 1930s had only been a 'democracy' for a decade or two. How is that not relevant if your 100-years-no-coups standard is relevant? And given that both legislative and executive rule in Canada had at the time been democratic for less than a century, their inclusion in the all-sorts-of-exceptions definition of democracies seems dubious.

Anyway, there have been numerous democracy-versus-democracy wars.
List of wars between democracies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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