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Old 11-16-2015, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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Replace "communists" and "terrorists" and nothing has changed at all. The state requires lethal "enemies at the gate" to assert more power and control.
I disagree with your implication that communism and terrorism have been "invented" as threats in order to further some nefarious government conspiracy. In hindsight, the threat of communism as a political movement, was blown out of all proportion to reality; however, that the US was in global competition with the Soviet Union, a country which espoused Communist doctrine, for nearly half a century was very real and wasn't some hoax perpetrated by some hidden cabal that manipulates the US government.

The same with terrorism. Islamist terrorists have murdered thousands of innocent people over the last 40 years, including thousands on US soil. Various European or American governments did not stage them or collude with terrorists in order to somehow "benefit" from murdering their own citizens.

That some politicians used fear of communism or terrorism to further their own political agendas doesn't indicate some great, secret governmental conspiracy.
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Old 11-16-2015, 09:31 AM
 
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I think that most Americans do not fathom exactly how different the Chinese values are. Most countries that don't have strong Greco-Roman cultural roots, including Russia and China, have significantly different values from the countries of western Europe and their off-shoots like the US, Canada, and Australia.
What's "Greco-Roman cultural roots"?
What do they manifest in this case?
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Old 11-16-2015, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I disagree with your implication that communism and terrorism have been "invented" as threats in order to further some nefarious government conspiracy. In hindsight, the threat of communism as a political movement, was blown out of all proportion to reality; however, that the US was in global competition with the Soviet Union, a country which espoused Communist doctrine, for nearly half a century was very real and wasn't some hoax perpetrated by some hidden cabal that manipulates the US government.

The same with terrorism. Islamist terrorists have murdered thousands of innocent people over the last 40 years, including thousands on US soil. Various European or American governments did not stage them or collude with terrorists in order to somehow "benefit" from murdering their own citizens.

That some politicians used fear of communism or terrorism to further their own political agendas doesn't indicate some great, secret governmental conspiracy.
Well stated.
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Old 11-17-2015, 03:20 AM
 
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During the Cold War the west was VERY concerned about it and did everything they could to stop the spread of it and get rid of communist sympathizers etc.

My question is, was it ever really a true threat? Had America gotten completely out of foreign affairs never had the Mcarthy trials and such would it really have mattered? Would the Russians really try to spread communism around the globe and trying to take over the world?

Basically after WWII had the U.S and the west never cared about or gotten at all involved in Russian and Communistic affairs would we live in a much different world today?
Sure it did! And now it's terrorism and in the future it will be something else, all so the arms dealers can sell more weapons and kill people like you and me for money.
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Old 11-17-2015, 04:47 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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The real creators of communism are the 1% of these countries mentioned, via the excesses of capitalism, and communism will always be threat to the 1%.

It's a no-brainer why communism came to Russia, Cuba, Vietnam, Nicaragua, and it would be a no-brainer if another country opted for communism. All it would tell me is the masses, in an election, were faced with voting for Poison 1 or Poison 2.
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Old 11-21-2015, 01:34 PM
 
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I think the world would have been much safer and more peaceful if we had socialist South America, Africa, Middle East, Asia even most of the Europe. The USSR enjoyed 70 years of peace and harmony between multicultural, mutli-religious nations within. Different branches of Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Shamanism and Atheism coexisted peacefully in the USSR. All men and women had equal rights and equal pay, there were no racism, lynching or other horrific stuff that existed in the US until the 80s. People in the USSR didn't have super rich, or narco-barons, or big time mafia. The land, the lakes, rivers, the woods belonged to the people and to their government. All the lands were free from possession by a one person. All honest and hard working people lived well and safe. It was only bad for criminals, corrupted folks, and those who tried to destroyed the country. Every year Soviet people had 24 days paid vacations, good pensions, free medical care, free high education, no drugs, no porno on TV, and there was no Greed! Lot's of free educational opportunities for children after school. Life in the socialist countries was good. There was no headaches about taxes, working three jobs and barely making needs met like it here in the US. And most importantly, there were no one sitting on his/her butts and collecting a wealth fare. In the Soviet Union in it's constitution there were the right to a work and the obligation to work and to contribute to a society, that's why even criminals in prisons had to work, and not to sit and watch a TV and have a free ride like it here in the US. In the socialist countries there were no unemployment and NO homeless and poppers on the streets.
We certainly would not have the crazy events in the Middle East and now in Europe. It's all the results of the West meddling in other people's affairs and trying to still their natural resources.
Although I don't think any person or group is above criticism or should be romanticized, I overall agree there were many impressive events due to Lenin and his ideological offshoots, especially when it came to challenging disaster capitalist imperialism and independence movements.

NASSERIST Cairo held many conferences for continental African and Asian women's rights even before it became popular in the U.S.

I think up and coming generations should take heed to remember Lenin's WARNING about bureaucratization: the greater the centralization, the greater the consolidation, the greater the concentration, the greater potential for tyranny.

Also as one can see from the urban areas right here in the U.S., when given the opportunity, the most DESPICABLE AND DISGUSTING elements of society, would reward the kind redistributor by slitting their throat.
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Old 11-23-2015, 01:56 PM
 
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About McCarthy... I read that he was cynically using the Red Scare to self promote, and attacked people who weren't necessarily all Communist. For him it all started as a big show with an imaginary bogey man. But as he started to dig deeper he was terrified to find a very real Communist infiltration in America. Which was part of the reason he didn't stop when he was at the height of his popularity and let this witch hunt eventually hurt his political career.
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Old 11-25-2015, 02:41 PM
 
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It could be considered one of the greatest threats to mankind. The final death count due to the Communists and Communism is 200 million plus. Toss in the hundreds of millions of people enslaved by them and the wasted wealth and human treasure fighting them it was a huge disaster for mankind.
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Old 11-25-2015, 07:20 PM
 
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I think that most Americans do not fathom exactly how different the Chinese values are. Most countries that don't have strong Greco-Roman cultural roots, including Russia and China, have significantly different values from the countries of western Europe and their off-shoots like the US, Canada, and Australia.
Here we go;

"Throughout the European medieval period, attempts were even made to establish successors to the Roman Empire, including the Crusader state, the Empire of Romania and the Holy Roman Empire. By means of European expansionism through the Spanish, French, Portuguese, Dutch, Italian, Russian, German, British and Belgian Empires, Greco-Roman culture was spread on a worldwide scale, playing a significant role in the development of the modern world."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire

So I guess that most Americans ( or may be only some) do not "fathom" that cultural roots of Russia are as European as it gets. The real split with Western Europe took place only in the Age of Enlightenment.
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Old 11-29-2015, 09:19 AM
 
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Everyone here are demagogues, nobody lived in the USSR, never experienced the socialism.
I think the world would have been much safer and more peaceful if we had socialist South America, Africa, Middle East, Asia even most of the Europe. The USSR enjoyed 70 years of peace and harmony between multicultural, mutli-religious nations within. Different branches of Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Shamanism and Atheism coexisted peacefully in the USSR. All men and women had equal rights and equal pay, there were no racism, lynching or other horrific stuff that existed in the US until the 80s. People in the USSR didn't have super rich, or narco-barons, or big time mafia. The land, the lakes, rivers, the woods belonged to the people and to their government. All the lands were free from possession by a one person. All honest and hard working people lived well and safe. It was only bad for criminals, corrupted folks, and those who tried to destroyed the country. Every year Soviet people had 24 days paid vacations, good pensions, free medical care, free high education, no drugs, no porno on TV, and there was no Greed! Lot's of free educational opportunities for children after school. Life in the socialist countries was good. There was no headaches about taxes, working three jobs and barely making needs met like it here in the US. And most importantly, there were no one sitting on his/her butts and collecting a wealth fare. In the Soviet Union in it's constitution there were the right to a work and the obligation to work and to contribute to a society, that's why even criminals in prisons had to work, and not to sit and watch a TV and have a free ride like it here in the US. In the socialist countries there were no unemployment and NO homeless and poppers on the streets.
We certainly would not have the crazy events in the Middle East and now in Europe. It's all the results of the West meddling in other people's affairs and trying to still their natural resources.
What a bs, forgive my french. I was born in USSR, lived there for a while. Peace and harmony, you are kidding, right? There was an official policy of creation a new nationality, soviet people, which in practice meant total russification and extermination of ethnic/national identities of the non russian minorities using whole range of means from soft pressure of insults and beatings to concentration camps and death. Simple act of preserving ethnic identity/language considered to be an act of burgeoise nationalism, a capital crime. Lower social classes, mostly peasants, were generously allowed to converse in the russified native languages, but anybody holding any job a notch above was expected to russify inside and out, including collective farm management, or risk his life and freedom. Ask our russian comrades about the rich vocabulary of the ethnic slur Russian language offers. English is quite a deprived language ethnic/racial slur wise as compared to the Russian. This alone should suggest anything but a polyanna like harmony.

Btw, your ideas about economic paradise are wrong big time, especially going back to the times where peasants were effectively enslaved and worked as no African slave worked back in the times. Slaves were a form of capital costing money, enslaved soviet peasants were 100% disposables to be worked and starved in the name of collective, and power hungry maniacs ruling it.
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