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This thread is not about WWII. Please stay on topic (even when the premise is as ridiculous as this one).
There must be something wrong with my computer. Although the "headline" talks about Vietnam, the first post says: "Along with Iraq and Afghanistan. Why do Americans insist on believing that Americans won WW2, when the Soviet Union did most of the work."
Along with Iraq and Afghanistan. Why do Americans insist on believing that Americans won WW2, when the Soviet Union did most of the work.
Ah yes... opening up a new front in the relentless war for hearts and minds. Now we have the collective anonymous "Americans" who allegedly "insist" on believing "America won WW2". As if we could be ludicrous enough to believe the Left Wing run school system would be teaching something so flattering about the people obliged to pay their salaries, in exchange for vitriol and subversion.
Why not save your critical theory cattiness for the other Lefties in your quarantined stratosphere?
you forget about INTEL. Intel and Logistics are not glamorous so they don't get credit
No, I never forget intel because I was intel. I'm lumping intel with "operations" in that particular concept--we directly supported the operators. Logistics as a function, of course, had its own operators and they had their intel support as well.
But in high-level terms, winning a war is most often given to the side that can consistently get to each battle "the firstest with the mostest." And that's logistics.
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Many patriotic peoples in the world refuse to admit they shouldn't have fought a war. Has Mongolia ever apologized for the genocide Ghengis and company did? Has Turkey ever apologized for the Armenian genocide?
About half of Americans are introspective and openly admit that many of our wars were wrong. The other half of us think it's treason to admit anything the USA ever did was wrong. Europe largely lacks a population with the attitude. Russia largely lacks people who question anything. USA is in between.
We don't even talk about it, much less admit. It's almost like war didn't happen. We never learned about it in HS and MS.
In 1996 my high school art teacher gave his talk about vietnam to each of our three history classes as he did every year. He was taken at 18 directly from the place where they gave the physicals. His tears, ours, photo books of dead vietnamese, etc that he took while there.
i was born in 1978 and will never forget Vietnam after that day, thank you. To me, it is the most real of probably all the wars due to my age. It was everywhere in the 80's and even the very early 90's...
Many patriotic peoples in the world refuse to admit they shouldn't have fought a war. Has Mongolia ever apologized for the genocide Ghengis and company did? Has Turkey ever apologized for the Armenian genocide?
About half of Americans are introspective and openly admit that many of our wars were wrong. The other half of us think it's treason to admit anything the USA ever did was wrong. Europe largely lacks a population with the attitude. Russia largely lacks people who question anything. USA is in between.
The Mongolians were victorious in most battles they fought. The OP asks why Americans don't admit the war in Vietnam was a failure?
It depends how you view it. I think the concept that led to Vietnam (inherited from the Eisenhower administration) was wrong. It was the "domino concept" which claimed that if one piece falls to communism others will follow immidietly (that part was correct) and that will pose a direct threat to US (totally wrong). Most policy makers and analysts (democrats and republicans) accepted this "truth" as fact. To me this is the root of all failures.
I think most Americans agree about the Vietnam outcome, though there are differences on how that could have been avoided and what steps US should have taken.
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Why don't Americans admit that Vietnam was a failure?
