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Old 05-07-2016, 09:14 PM
 
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I can't exactly bring myself to say any of his fans here. But I've always been fascinated by him. We seem to like What if scenarios on this forum (it's my first time posting here) so I thought I'd post one I saw briefly debated in a rather extensive book about his 6 wives. Henry's attempts to get his first marriage annulled so he could remarry is probably the most studied act of his life. He wanted to marry Anne Boleyn, primarily to obtain a male heir. At one point during the long struggle to get his annulment Anne became ill with what was called the sweating sickness. Of course she survived. But what if she had not? Would her death have caused Henry to abandon his quest for an annulment of his marriage to Katherine of Aragon?
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Old 05-07-2016, 09:42 PM
 
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I can't exactly bring myself to say any of his fans here. But I've always been fascinated by him. We seem to like What if scenarios on this forum (it's my first time posting here) so I thought I'd post one I saw briefly debated in a rather extensive book about his 6 wives. Henry's attempts to get his first marriage annulled so he could remarry is probably the most studied act of his life. He wanted to marry Anne Boleyn, primarily to obtain a male heir. At one point during the long struggle to get his annulment Anne became ill with what was called the sweating sickness. Of course she survived. But what if she had not? Would her death have caused Henry to abandon his quest for an annulment of his marriage to Katherine of Aragon?
No, because Henry needed an heir. He wanted sons. Katherine had only born one child that lived, a girl, Mary. If Anne had succumbed to the sweat, he would have found another woman to pursue.

There was also favor to be gained by the factions representing various interests. I am sure some of the powerful families would have dangled lovely women in front of Henry in order to gain favor with him to further gain power and wealth. Think of the Seymours with Jane and the Howards with Katherine (#2).
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Old 05-07-2016, 09:52 PM
 
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No, because Henry needed an heir. He wanted sons. Katherine had only born one child that lived, a girl, Mary. If Anne had succumbed to the sweat, he would have found another woman to pursue.

There was also favor to be gained by the factions representing various interests. I am sure some of the powerful families would have dangled lovely women in front of Henry in order to gain favor with him to further gain power and wealth. Think of the Seymours with Jane and the Howards with Katherine (#2).
Got to find the book that brought up this question ...... the author strongly leaned to your view. She felt, however, that a foreign princess would have been pushed on Henry. One young enough, of course, to bear children.
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Old 05-07-2016, 11:48 PM
 
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Got to find the book that brought up this question ...... the author strongly leaned to your view. She felt, however, that a foreign princess would have been pushed on Henry. One young enough, of course, to bear children.
Was it The Six Wives of Henry VIII by Alison Weir?

It was the last book about Henry that I read.
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Old 05-08-2016, 12:09 AM
 
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Was it The Six Wives of Henry VIII by Alison Weir?

It was the last book about Henry that I read.
Yes, that was the one. She also brought up Cardinal Wolsey as being a primary mover in Henry marrying a foreign princess, with a preference towards a French lady.
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Old 05-08-2016, 06:35 AM
 
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He could not have married a French lady as he needed a papal dissolution, impossible.

He could not have sired a legitimate son as he was BARREN, not because his accidents in a joust but genetically.

The son he sired with Jane, I believe, was probably not legitimate.
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Old 05-08-2016, 11:56 AM
 
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He could not have married a French lady as he needed a papal dissolution, impossible.

He could not have sired a legitimate son as he was BARREN, not because his accidents in a joust but genetically.

The son he sired with Jane, I believe, was probably not legitimate.
He was seeking an annulment to his marriage, which would have left him able to remarry.

I have no reason to think his son with Jane Seymour was illegitimate. What makes you think so?
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Old 05-08-2016, 12:20 PM
 
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I learned about Henry Tudor from my mother, many years ago. She taught me this rhyme to keep things straight in my mind:

"Divorced, beheaded, died; divorced, beheaded, survived."
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Old 05-08-2016, 09:41 PM
 
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He could not have married a French lady as he needed a papal dissolution, impossible.

He could not have sired a legitimate son as he was BARREN, not because his accidents in a joust but genetically.

The son he sired with Jane, I believe, was probably not legitimate.
Based on what? I have yet to encounter a reputable theory that Edward VI was anyone's son but Henry's.

Back to the original question. It would not have mattered if Anne Boleyn had survived or not. For not having male issue was a deadly serious matter. After all, England had just concluded the ruinous War of The Roses less than a generation earlier. So succession remained fresh on the mind of England.

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Old 05-08-2016, 10:39 PM
 
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He could not have married a French lady as he needed a papal dissolution, impossible.

He could not have sired a legitimate son as he was BARREN, not because his accidents in a joust but genetically.

The son he sired with Jane, I believe, was probably not legitimate.
Whose child was Bloody Mary?
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