Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Russia should forget about countries they consider theirs, or their buffer zone. Russia is not an empire anymore and nobody wants to invade that country.
The most important wars in the modern world are not fought by tanks and guns - they are fought by financial tools. But "buffer zones" are still needed.
Quote:
Not a matter of communism, but Russian imperialism.
Well Russia has been turned into ultra- capitalist country twenty five years ago; its capitalism is a "Johnny come lately," it has healthy appetites and is set to fight for its share on a world stage. And that's why "Imperialism 101" is back into the picture yet again, as it was 100 years ago.
Quote:
What Poles or Ukranians want is not Russian business.
I don't believe that Russia is interested in "Polish business." But Ukraine is a totally different matter.
This so-called "country" needed to be split long time ago. Then everything would fall into place.
Quote:
Russians do remind British and their laughable imperialism.
Yes they do and for a good reason.
While British Empire was expanding and experimenting with its new colonial off-shoots around the world, Russian Empire was playing a counter-balancing role in the world, firmly staying put in one place.
Quote:
French are also somewhat ridiculous with all the "grandeur", etc. Antics.
Well it's an old European nation with a lot of history and plenty of achievements of its own. Why wouldn't they like those "Antics"?
Communism was as redeemer as fascism, religions, sects....
Problem is that people are "bad", people are selfish, in other words, people are capitalist....and the market always survives....and redeemers always fall face down...because humans are evil, bad.
Tito in Yugoslavia was considered by many as a benevolent communist dictator. For the average person their standard of living improved, they had some freedom.
Good discussion of his life in Wilkipedia...including this
During the immediate post-war period Tito's Yugoslavia had a strong commitment to orthodox Marxist ideas. Harsh repressive measures against dissidents were common, including "arrests, show trials, forced collectivisation, suppression of churches and religion".[128]
Communism was as redeemer as fascism, religions, sects....
I am not sure what exactly you are saying here, but yes - communism, fascism ( and other religions - namely Islam) - are all of spiritual beginnings, the beliefs that are deeply ingrained in their followers.
Quote:
Problem is that people are "bad", people are selfish, in other words, people are capitalist....and the market always survives....and redeemers always fall face down...because humans are evil, bad.
Not really. SOME people are bad and unfit to live under communism. SOME are good and meet all the requirements.
I saw it many times living among Russians ( and Russians, being old Christian nation on top of that, are "original communists," since it was way of life of Russian peasantry long before the October revolution.)
Some were just wonderful generous people, some were greedy idiots and some were just outright scum of the Earth.
(After all Russians ask a good question today; "Stalin is Stalin, but WHO wrote thousands of reports on their relatives and neighbors to NKVD, that led to mass arrests, torture and executions?"
So there you have it.
And THIS makes Communism a theological matter. It becomes a question who deserves to live in such perfect state and who does not. With other words, we will not know until the "wheat is separated from the chaff."
You can't draw the same parallels with Fascism, ( even though I'm sure it had SOME strong points behind its philosophy.)
And that's why Communism is not hated as much as Fascism after all, no matter how much grief it brought in its imperfect form.
The problem are not Russians, the problem is that humans are not what communism conceived.
I only consider fascism the government of Benito Mussolini.
Nazism is just a mannic regime impossible to classify, as hurtful for Germany and Europe as Stalin and Beria for the USSR.
Communism is not hated so much because the USSR won the war, had Nazis won -which was impossible- they would have publicized all around the world all Stalin crimes...forgeting their barbaric crimes...as they Nazis did in Katyn.
History is written by winners.
The problem are not Russians, the problem is that humans are not what communism conceived.
I only consider fascism the government of Benito Mussolini.
I never said that Russians in particular were a problem.
I just brought them as example, since they were the ones living specifically under that system.
Quote:
Nazism is just a mannic regime impossible to classify, as hurtful for Germany and Europe as Stalin and Beria for the USSR.
Communism is not hated so much because the USSR won the war, had Nazis won -which was impossible- they would have publicized all around the world all Stalin crimes...forgeting their barbaric crimes...as they Nazis did in Katyn.
History is written by winners.
That's questionable.
Russians made sure that Fascism would be hurtful for Germany, but had Hitler achieved his goals - who knows.
In the same manner there is no unanimous verdict on Stalin among Russians till today.
Why? Jews are still angry and have considerable media power. Hollywood, unlike the fake tv news that fade in a day or two, may leave a lasting impression.
But Hitler currently means any one who disagrees with the mainstream. As in "You don't like Beyonce, you must be Hitler." And, "You insulted Admiral Allah Akbar. Your a bigot and Hitler."
Why? Jews are still angry and have considerable media power.
That mystifies me. Most Jews that I know, including the 30 at Torah Study this morning and the 100 or so at Friday night services, seem too busy and constructive to be angry.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moe Howard
Hollywood, unlike the fake tv news that fade in a day or two, may leave a lasting impression.
What doest hat have to do with Communism and/or Nazism?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moe Howard
But Hitler currently means any one who disagrees with the mainstream. As in "You don't like Beyonce, you must be Hitler." And, "You insulted Admiral Allah Akbar. Your a bigot and Hitler."
I think that Hitler is overused as a strawman. But the man was demonstrably evil and did some real damage.
Can someone explain? Both [Communism & Nazism] were created and taken to the extreme by evil psychotic people, both ended up being responsible with unfathomable amount of deaths, both promote a thoroughly disgusting ideology that will ultimately only lead to unimaginable amounts of suffering to those that embrace it, both deserve to go into the dustbin of history and never even uttered ever again, both have ultimately failed at everything they ever espoused.
No, the USSR fought the Nazi regime off, repelled the invasion & counterattacked into Berlin. The USSR suffered enormous casualties, property loss, economic loss, dislocations & setbacks in WWII - but they defeated the Nazis on the ground - when it didn't seem possible. After the defeat of the West - UK & France - early on, the USSR held on despite the odds & eventually triumphed. That's likely why the USSR has some respect in military & political circles - tough people, & they hung on & fought back.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
The USSR was our ally, for the duration
