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Like I said, from sources from Purchas to Prichard, I have yet to come across linking the trio of Rus nationalities to Varangians or other Teutonics other than possibly the city-state of Kiev.
Those most obsessed about ethnogenesis like Iberians during the Inquistion, Gobineau all the way to Hitler & his teutonic socialists, none of them especially the later saw the Saqaliba as part of the Aryan/Nordic/teutonic people.
Didn't the Stalinists, before the 2nd Great War, release a film about Alex waging a war against the Swedish & other teutonic knights?
I am sorry that you have such a hodge-podge in your head, juggling all this terminology without clear understanding what it means in terms of European history.
Your referral to Slavs in Arabic language explains your confusion.
No wonder Arabic world is so messed up.
What do the Stalinists have to do with the Vikings?
Well what this strange person apparently refers to, is the movie "Alexander Nevsky" ( that episode I posted above happened to be from that particular movie. It's the epic one, a masterpiece of Sergey Eisenstein. )
The movie itself was made in 1938, and it refers to the real historic events back in 1242, when Alexander Nevsky ( prince of Novgorod) was fighting the cross-bearers, the knights of Teutonic Order
on the lake Peipus. Now as you can see, the "Teutonic Order" is the German House of St. Mary in Jerusalem.
So very clearly German, and that's what "Teuton" most often refers to from historic point of view.
But this, however, are already 1200ies, ( since we are talking about the cross-bearers.)
Vikings ( or Scandinavians) arriving to Slavs and organizing their first state - that's only 800-900ies - somewhere there.
Alexander Nevsky belongs to this particular dynasty ( Rurik's dynasty) that ruled Russia til 1610 ( more or less) with brief return to the stage during "Time of Troubles."
When Alexander Nevsky willed to his youngest son Daniel the small principality of Moscow ( that nobody was interested in,) - that's when it started to experience expansion and reinforcement.
So it seems the Anglo Saxons were able to take back a large chunk of England before William the Conqueror arrived
They take back a large chunk of Mercia called the Five Boroughs, and somehow carved out another Anglo Saxon Kingdom from Viking dominated Northumbria called Bernicia.
So it seems the Anglo Saxons were able to take back a large chunk of England before William the Conqueror arrived
They take back a large chunk of Mercia called the Five Boroughs, and somehow carved out another Anglo Saxon Kingdom from Viking dominated Northumbria called Bernicia.
That all happened in the 9th to mid-10th centuries.
However, the Danes returned in the early 11th century, and in 1016 Cnut the Great became King of England. Danish rule wouldn't long survive Cnut's death, however, and the reconquest of England by the English was completed decades before William and Hastings.
The initial lure of England were the isolated and unprotected island and coastal monasteries. Easy pickings and attractive for the gold and jeweled religious artifact held by these religious enclaves. It was then just a natural progression into the interior of England.
And probably most of the people who came from the North were not raiders but farmers looking for land and new markets. The so called Vikings were world travelers, raiders, farmers and traders. Some of their buried hoards found even today reflect coinage and other items from places as far away as Afghanistan.
Ditto regarding Ireland. The monasteries were easy pickings, and several rivers and elongated bays made the interior accessible. Several coastal sites with good harbours and navigable rivers became Viking towns with tradesmen, craftsmen and farmers as well as fleets. The present-day cities of Dublin, Waterford, Wexford and, I believe, Limerick grew into towns because the Vikings settled these areas with bays after raiding local monastic sites (which sometimes had nearby villages.) Viking Dublin had ongoing relations with the Viking city of present-day York, England. I was in Dublin when the old Viking town was excavated in the course of making foundations for a new local government building, and some of the finds were exhibited (at that time) in a temporary museum near St. Stephen's Green.
There is an extensive literature on the history and archaeology of Scandinavian settlements in Ireland. The current issue of Archaeology Ireland has an interesting article on the confusion of the cult of the Scandinavian St. Olave with local cults in Ireland probably due to later misunderstandings of pronunciations and translations from Norse to Irish.
But the history of these people in Ireland is more than that of fearful raiders.
That all happened in the 9th to mid-10th centuries.
However, the Danes returned in the early 11th century, and in 1016 Cnut the Great became King of England. Danish rule wouldn't long survive Cnut's death, however, and the reconquest of England by the English was completed decades before William and Hastings.
Who reconquered England from Cnut prior to Hastings?
I am sorry that you have such a hodge-podge in your head, juggling all this terminology without clear understanding what it means in terms of European history.
Your referral to Slavs in Arabic language explains your confusion.
No wonder Arabic world is so messed up.
I'm definitely in agreement that bending over backwards for fascists, nazis & slave traders is what has jacked up a lot of societies, including former soviet ones.
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Your film provides some answers as to why extreme nationalism and neo-Nazism is on the rise in Russia. But what caused these sentiments to really take hold?
You can trace a lot of these activities back to the fall of the Soviet Union and perestroika. With the fall less than 15 years ago, many institutions and civil societies are still developing. And many Russians are asking themselves, "What does it mean to be Russian?"
Extremist gangs -- many of whom identified with neo-Nazi ideas -- began appearing in the early 1990s, when the country was going through a great deal of social and economic upheaval. Then came the whole painful privatization process, and Russians watched as the country's riches fell into the hands of a few.
Although the Soviet Union fought against Nazi Germany during World War II, neo-Nazi groups that appeal to Russian nationalism have been on the rise since the Communist state collapsed in 1991.
I'm definitely in agreement that bending over backwards for fascists, nazis & slave traders is what has jacked up a lot of societies, including former soviet ones.
Your film provides some answers as to why extreme nationalism and neo-Nazism is on the rise in Russia. But what caused these sentiments to really take hold?
You can trace a lot of these activities back to the fall of the Soviet Union and perestroika. With the fall less than 15 years ago, many institutions and civil societies are still developing. And many Russians are asking themselves, "What does it mean to be Russian?"
Extremist gangs -- many of whom identified with neo-Nazi ideas -- began appearing in the early 1990s, when the country was going through a great deal of social and economic upheaval. Then came the whole painful privatization process, and Russians watched as the country's riches fell into the hands of a few.
It's a great movie, and at least it's somewhat relevant to this thread, since it refers to the Viking dynasty.
For the rest of your rant - start your own cozy little thread about Russia/Soviet Union/Attacks of Neo-Nazis - whatever.
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