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Old 10-24-2008, 09:40 AM
 
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I don't know why he isn't regaled as much as Washington or Lincoln. Such and incredible man. Could you imagine what this country/world would be like if he hadn't been? Anyway, I don't recall ever having heard of the Hellfire Club, so I'm going to go look that up right now.
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Old 10-24-2008, 10:00 AM
 
Location: San Fernando Valley, CA
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Ben Franklin is the ONE dead person I would want to meet if I had to choose.

I don't know a lot about him, but I know he had a wealth of knowledge and it would be interesting to hang out with him.
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Old 10-27-2008, 11:59 PM
 
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Ben Franklin and all the forefathers are great heroes to me...I cant imagine waking them up and saying look at what America is now.

but this isnt a political forum so i wont go into how liberals have ruined America.
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Old 10-28-2008, 10:07 AM
 
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Ben Franklin and all the forefathers are great heroes to me...I cant imagine waking them up and saying look at what America is now.

but this isnt a political forum so i wont go into how liberals have ruined America.
Funny, I always thought our patriot forefathers were liberals.
They questioned authority.
They challenged the status quo.
They disregarded convention.
They envisioned a better day for all Americans.

Since when did those ideals become the vanguard of conservatism?
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Old 10-28-2008, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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And yet Franklin himself turned down an opportunity to be our first President (he was only one year away from his death when Washington was inaugurated).
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Old 10-28-2008, 04:57 PM
 
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Funny, I always thought our patriot forefathers were liberals.
They questioned authority.
They challenged the status quo.
They disregarded convention.
They envisioned a better day for all Americans.

Since when did those ideals become the vanguard of conservatism?


big difference between jeffersonian/classical liberalism and todays socialist liberalism.
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Old 10-28-2008, 07:50 PM
 
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A rose is a rose is a rose.
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Old 10-29-2008, 11:03 AM
 
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I am long overdue to get a good autobiograhpy of him. Any suggestions?

Truly a man that is difficult to put in any category. I am hard pressed to think of many famous people that would be comparable....suggestions?
If you are looking for a good biography on Franklin I would suggest, "Benjamin Franklin: An American Life" by Walter Isaacson. Well researched but still a good read
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Old 10-29-2008, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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And don't forget the fact that a state was named for the man. Well, OK, the State of Franklin (which consisted of a secession-minded eastern third of Tennessee) was only a functioning entity for four years, from 1784-88. But it's the thought that counts!
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Old 11-05-2008, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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It goes a lot deeper than just Benjamin Franklin. Many of the men who founded this country are unknown (and unrecognized) by most Americans today.

Check out this part of the story of Roger Sherman (1721-1793) of Connecticut. This was a very outstanding fellow.
Roger Sherman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_of_Five
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