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Old 10-15-2009, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Norwood, MN
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Hitler would have had to march to the Urals. Even then, who knows?

However, had he been a benevolent occupier and set up some form of puppet government as an alternative to Communism, I bet that he could have raised huge numbers of Russian troops. Stalin was just loathed and feared at that point. It was really an accomplishment on Hitler's part to be despised even more than the Soviet dictator.
Joseph Stalin, the gentle pipe-smoking "Uncle Joe", was despised???????????
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Old 10-16-2009, 05:58 PM
 
Location: City of North Las Vegas, NV
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THE PRICE OF WAR AND THE NOT SO RECOGNIZED CONSENQUENSES THAT GREECE PAID:

"During the German occupation between 1941 and 1945, 460 Greek villages were completely destroyed and approximately 60,000 men, women and children were killed. 65.000 Greek Jews were deported with the support of the German Wehrmacht and killed in Auschwitz. All in all 800.000 people died in Greece, 600.000 of those starved because their food was used for the occupying troops or destroyed by them. . Distomo is only one of 60 larger but almost unknown massacres that German troops committed during World War II in Greece. Only three will be mentionned here as examples: Soldiers of the first Mountain Hunter Division »Edelweiss« destroyed on August 16, 1943 the Greek village Kommeno and killed 317 inhabitants. Even German soldiers who had participated spoke of incredible cruelties. In December 1943 the 117th Hunter Division destroyed the smalltown Kalavryta and 24 villages in its surroundings. More than 1300 men were shot. Also on Crete the German Commander ordered in May 1941 »to act with ultimate hardness...(..)..1. executions, 2. contributions by force..3. burning of villages after robbing them..4. extinction of the male population of whole regions.« That’s how one unit of the 22nd Infantry Division murdered almost 500 inhabitants of the crete village Vianos. "


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Old 10-16-2009, 07:36 PM
 
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The interesting thing about this is that people suppose all of the German atrocities were committed by SS troops, but in fact the Wehrmacht had more than its share of war crimes - and those that they didn't commit themselves, they assisted the SS by pacifying the area first.
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Old 10-17-2009, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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The interesting thing about this is that people suppose all of the German atrocities were committed by SS troops, but in fact the Wehrmacht had more than its share of war crimes - and those that they didn't commit themselves, they assisted the SS by pacifying the area first.

Indeed, the self serving myth that the German army had "clean hands".
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Old 10-17-2009, 05:50 PM
 
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It's a myth that we wanted to believe, in light of the cold war. But a myth it was.
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Old 10-17-2009, 06:00 PM
 
Location: San Leandro
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Yugoslavia tied up the germans more than anything. Four major operations and they never got tito. Thousands of germans and their allies that could have been fighting in russia were fighting gorillas.
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Old 10-17-2009, 06:02 PM
 
Location: San Leandro
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The interesting thing about this is that people suppose all of the German atrocities were committed by SS troops, but in fact the Wehrmacht had more than its share of war crimes - and those that they didn't commit themselves, they assisted the SS by pacifying the area first.
My grandfather who fought in Italy told me how the Germans often did not take black's alive if they were captured. Conversely he told me they often afforded the germans the same courtesy, particularly if they were wounded. War is hell.
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