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Old 07-29-2009, 01:44 AM
 
Location: Bolton,UK
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What are your thoughts about the vanished colony.

What do you really think happened to them?
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Old 07-29-2009, 02:27 AM
 
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Trotter

There are studies to dermine if they mixed with Croatian indians. As to the fate of Turkish, Blacks, Spanish prisoners and Central American Indian prisoners, who knows!!

It seems there were a lot of non-Indian people wandering around when the first English settler arrived to mainland North Carolina during the XVIIth Century.

Some Spanish colonies failed there too, Santa Helena, for instance.

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Old 07-29-2009, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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I've read several books on this Trotter and visted the site of the colony which is a Federal park (well they THINK it's the site of the colony but that's another story).

The consensus seems to be that when expected relief from England failed to appear most of the colonists moved up to Chesapeake Bay and lived in a village up there and were subsequently slaughtered by the orders of Powhatan years later just before the Jamestown colonists arrived in Virginia. A few may have survived as slaves of Indians further inland; slaves valued for their skills in metalworking. And there's evidence that a few lived with and assimilated with the Indians of the Outer Banks.

When talking with the park historian I asked if it wasn't possible that Pedro Menendez hadn't come up from Florida and rubbed them out; the man brightened and laughed and exclaimed "Pedro Menendez! Now that's a thought." He got a kick out of the notion but thought not, Menendez was dead by the time of the colony.
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Old 07-29-2009, 10:39 AM
 
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It seems there were a lot of non-Indian people wandering around when the first English settler arrived to mainland North Carolina during the XVIIth Century.
What non-Indian people were here?
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Old 07-29-2009, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Bolton,UK
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I've read several books on this Trotter and visted the site of the colony which is a Federal park (well they THINK it's the site of the colony but that's another story).

The consensus seems to be that when expected relief from England failed to appear most of the colonists moved up to Chesapeake Bay and lived in a village up there and were subsequently slaughtered by the orders of Powhatan years later just before the Jamestown colonists arrived in Virginia. A few may have survived as slaves of Indians further inland; slaves valued for their skills in metalworking. And there's evidence that a few lived with and assimilated with the Indians of the Outer Banks.

When talking with the park historian I asked if it wasn't possible that Pedro Menendez hadn't come up from Florida and rubbed them out; the man brightened and laughed and exclaimed "Pedro Menendez! Now that's a thought." He got a kick out of the notion but thought not, Menendez was dead by the time of the colony.
Good post Tom.

So federal park is not the site of the colony?
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Old 07-29-2009, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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Good post Tom.

So federal park is not the site of the colony?
Well maybe it is and maybe it isn't. There are the remains of a small earthen fort in the park (the fort has been "restored", rebuilt seems more like it) and it's believed this is the fort the colonists built.

However I ran into a local historian down there who thinks the fort was built during the American Civil War and that the colony was on another part of the island. According to him he'd recently discovered the remains of earthworks on the part of the island he favors as the site, earthworks he thinks are from the colony. This fella also believes most of the colonists were assimilated by the Indians of Hatteras Island on the Outer Banks.

I bought a copy of the fella's book and I'm looking around for it but can't find it.
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Old 07-29-2009, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Bolton,UK
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This fella also believes most of the colonists were assimilated by the Indians
I make him correct.

I think they were on the verge of starvation and turned to the Indians as a last resort. some could have been killed by the Indians but no traces of remains where found.
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Old 07-29-2009, 02:28 PM
 
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What non-Indian people were here?
Google the 'Melungeons'...a mysterious category of long-time residents of the Southern Appalachians who are plainly not of pure American Indian stock; NOR are they apparently black; NOR are they early-day 'Scots-Irish'...they are 'something else'....and whether that's a mixture of the ABOVE three..the remnants of failed Spanish colonies in South Carolina..or the mysterious progeny of some earlier migration that didn't make the history books, is not altogether clear. Even a 'middle Eastern' connection has been suggested, and the Government of Turkey some years ago sent a team of researchers looking for some 'link' with the early arrivals in North America. Their findings were not conclusive.

Several early-day "American" explorers, traversing the Appalachian summit, told of finding people in the interior who lived, built their homes, and 'looked' different from the local Indians.

Lots of rumors surrounded these folks, and for generations, they themselves kept a 'low profile', due to the extreme racial prejudice of the region. Many successfully 'passed' as white, while others were simply marginalized or ignored.

Today, the 'Melungeons' are eagerly looking into their OWN mysterious origins, and there are several websites on the subject. VERY interesting reading, and I'd recommend it to anyone interested in this little-known subject.
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Old 07-29-2009, 03:48 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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In MD they're called "wesorts"- "we're sorta this and sorta that".
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Old 07-30-2009, 12:04 AM
 
Location: West Los Angeles and Rancho Palos Verdes
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I believe they were the victims of Indian trickery and ultimately were enslaved, then raped and murdered.
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