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... and still no link to that large toaster oven that can bake two large pizzas at the same time!
Yeah, I'm very curious about that myself! I have the large Breville countertop oven and it works well and even comes with a pizza pan, but it definitely can only handle one at a time.
Always consider resale when you remodel. You can eventually decide that you'd prefer things that aren't really the best for resale. For instance, I am ditching the bathtub in the master bath for a larger shower, although there will still be a tub in the other bathroom. Some people prefer tubs and that would be a minus when they look at my house.
In your case, the majority of buyers want that stovetop/oven combo. Plus a lot of buyers don't want to do any remodeling or have costs above the purchase price. So, by deleting the stovetop/oven, you are eliminating all buyers who don't want to remodel. What that means when selling your house is that you will get a lower price for your house (likely substantially below the price of installing a new stovetop/oven in your remodel) and have the house take longer to sell.
Most of the places that I have seen in Europe that don't have a full stove and oven are in city center areas where the units have small-to-tiny kitchens and that have a culture of shopping daily at small local markets/stands (the reason they also tend to have very small refrigerators by US standards) and almost daily dining out. There are a few big cities in the US where you can pull this off and if you happen to live in one it might be less of an issue, but the bottom line is that the majority of buyers want that stovetop/oven combo.
So now it boils down to (hahah) a cooktop plus a BUILT IN "large" toaster oven??? Even a sillier proposition.
AFAIK, toaster ovens aren't built to be built in. Heat dissipation and electrical would concern me. And perhaps it's just me but the toaster ovens I've had over my lifetime have gotten progressively crappier.
Everything the OP thinks is cutting edge could be satisfied with a simple, fully-functional 24" stove. Plenty of people get by with that. Modest size burners on top, modest size oven below.
I'm just wondering how practical this would be. Most of the remodeling shows make it seem like everyone is a master chef that needs a huge commercial oven. My girlfriend and I are far from it. Heck, in my family, I only know of one aunt that likes to bake a lot. Most of us are on the go too much to spend hours in the kitchen. When we do use the oven, it's never for anything bigger than a medium/large pizza. Once in a blue moon we'll make a small batch of brownies or cookies. We use our cooktop/microwave a lot and we eat out 3-4x/week. The only meals we could possibly have time to prepare in the oven are on the weekends, but who wants to spend any part of the weekend in the kitchen? Now for those with 5-6+ people in the house, sure - a large oven is probably needed.
One can buy a very large toaster oven for $100 that's big enough to cook two large pizzas or even a whole chicken. Therefore, it seems like for many people a huge oven is a waste of space. Aesthetically, it seems like all the nice looking ovens are over $1000. That's a lot to pay for something that's rarely used, prone to breaking and expensive to fix. IMO, eliminating the oven also gives the kitchen a cleaner more streamlined appearance.
What say you?
Don't do it. Just get an oven and use it for storage. It's much easier than adding one in afterwards.
We use our oven maybe 1 or 2 times a month (max), but use our toaster oven 1-5 times a day (it's a Breville and awesome BTW), but the kitchen would look strange and make the house harder to eventually sell without an oven.
One can buy a very large toaster oven for $100 that's big enough to cook two large pizzas or even a whole chicken.
What say you?
When I was searching for a new toaster oven, I had a hard time finding one less than $!00, let alone one that would be considered large enough to cook 2 large pizzas. I'd still like to see what you are talking about.
You also ask how practical this would be - most have said it would kill your resale value, or make your home harder to sell, then you said to take that off the table. So why do you care if it's practical? If that's what you want, then go ahead and do it! You apparently are just thinking about how your life is today and not anytime in the future.
Speaking as a long time real estate broker that did some developing and building houses and apartments, that when a home goes on the market without an oven except for a large toaster oven, you will lose about 95% of the potential buyers for putting an unconventional home on the market, and will eliminate all families. And offers you get for the home, will be quite a little below the cost to have put in a conventional oven.
We are a couple in our 80s, and have both a large conventional oven, and a top end large toaster oven, and there are times the large conventional oven is the only one to use. Especially if we have company.
Yeah, I'm very curious about that myself! I have the large Breville countertop oven and it works well and even comes with a pizza pan, but it definitely can only handle one at a time.
So you have no family? You NEVER host a holiday meal? Ever?
Clearly you've never had a good quality roasted Prime Rib Roast. It is the food of the gods.
(I find it kind of funny that you tell me that eating meat is bad for my health; yet you argue that eating out daily (not good food for $15 for 2 of you!) or making pizzas is somehow healthier.....not so much!)
Last night I cooked for 2 of us...made a roast chicken, roast veggies, and baked a loaf of bread. I never could have made that in anything smaller.
Never cook for family. The only time we cook for each other is on Christmas when everyone brings 1-2 dishes. No one I know cooks for large groups of people...certainly none my age.
I'm not preaching that eating meat is bad...just that eating THAT much meat is probably bad. And eating out doesn't have to be unhealthy. Even pizza doesn't have to be unhealthy...it can be prepared raw vegan. Regardless, this is beside the point. I don't cook more than the capacity of a toaster oven. I'm wondering why roast chicken, veggies and bread couldn't be made in a toaster oven?
Never cook for family. The only time we cook for each other is on Christmas when everyone brings 1-2 dishes. No one I know cooks for large groups of people...certainly none my age.
I don't cook more than the capacity of a toaster oven.
Which is why it's cool for you to do what you want in your kitchen. It's not necessarily indicative of the world at large. You don't need strangers' permission to cook/eat the way you want.
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Originally Posted by eddiehaskell
I'm wondering why roast chicken, veggies and bread couldn't be made in a toaster oven?
They can...one at a time. Slowly-ish. That's really what you're asking?
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