08-26-2011, 05:01 PM
Location: Moscow
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Video from the Moscow protest:
Viddler.com - Moscow Megaload - Uploaded by IdahoTom (http://www.viddler.com/explore/IdahoTom/videos/292/ - broken link)
Several ppl sent to jail...
08-26-2011, 05:03 PM
Location: Moscow
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Wonder if Exxon reimburses the city PD for their time patrolling the protests?
08-29-2011, 01:53 PM
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Three more megaload protesters arrested in Cd'A - Spokesman.com - Aug. 27, 2011
Looks like more hippie wannabees protesting this project. They are moving it ON I-90 and they are protesting. It would appear that scenic highway 12 was just an excuse to stir things up.
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Environmental concerns stem from the destructive nature of strip mining and the use of energy to extract oil from the tar sands.
Yeah, lets just keep buying oil from the ME, rather than Canada.
Lets just make North Idaho look more anti-business friendly, when we have a 9+% unemployement rate.
08-29-2011, 01:55 PM
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Wonder if Exxon reimburses the city PD for their time patrolling the protests?
I don't know. If your car was stolen, would you reimbures PD for the time spent investigating the crime and capturing the criminals?
08-29-2011, 02:07 PM
Location: Moscow
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I don't know. If your car was stolen, would you reimbures PD for the time spent investigating the crime and capturing the criminals?
No. But, Exxon advertised on the radio that all costs-including law enforcement-were being paid by them. If I had made such an advertisement about a potential theft of my car then, yes, I would pay for it.
08-29-2011, 02:17 PM
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Toyman at Jewel Lake
Just stop; this misses the point entirely.
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"They were all charged with misdemeanor unlawful assembly, disturbing the peace and refusal to disperse."
This is absolutely silly here.
08-29-2011, 02:37 PM
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Just stop; this misses the point entirely.
What exactly was the protesters point? Originally, they stated that they were against these megaloads going up Hwy 12, which is designated a wild and scenic river. What the passage of a large truck in the middle of the night would do to impact this, I don't know, but lets give them the benefit of the doubt.
The company rerouted the loads to major truck routes...and the protesters still protested. Just what were they really concerned about in the first place? They got what they claimed to be wanting. From the article, it appears the real motive is to disrupt oil field development in Canada. Why not be honest in the first palce?
08-29-2011, 02:47 PM
Location: Moscow
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Toyman at Jewel Lake
What exactly was the protesters point? Originally, they stated that they were against these megaloads going up Hwy 12, which is designated a wild and scenic river. What the passage of a large truck in the middle of the night would do to impact this, I don't know, but lets give them the benefit of the doubt.
I agree. I don't like them on 12, but have no problem with the other routes. The tar sands can be protested without blocking traffic.
08-30-2011, 09:42 AM
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Toyman at Jewel Lake
What exactly was the protesters point? Originally, they stated that they were against these megaloads going up Hwy 12, which is designated a wild and scenic river. What the passage of a large truck in the middle of the night would do to impact this, I don't know, but lets give them the benefit of the doubt.
Who cares what the protester's point was? It's their right to protest, so long as they do it civilly and take responsibility if they break the law in protesting.
I have been somewhat involved with the legal aspects of this down here in Boise, and there are many different opinions... some simply wanted the megaloads to take a different route because, technically, those loads are not allowed on a Wild and Scenic corridor. Others didn't want them coming through Idaho at all. You can't lump all the protesters in one group.
It's just ridiculous the state kowtowed to these megaloads, and that completely contradicts your "more antibusiness friendly" comment. Idaho grovels to business. It was Montana that had to nix this from happening, despite the many problems that were promised wouldn't happen did indeed happen.
Further, you must not have been following this story much if you didn't think a megaload traveling up this corridor wouldn't "do anything." They already caused a power outrage, delayed traffic, and the potential for an epic disaster was just waiting.
Lastly, for those who claim to be libertarians doesn't the idea of police being able to charge people for "unlawful assembly" and "failure to disperse" sound a little tyrannical, given the historical and philosophical precedent in this country to protest and civilly disobey?
08-30-2011, 10:34 AM
Location: Del Rio, TN
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...Further, you must not have been following this story much if you didn't think a megaload traveling up this corridor wouldn't "do anything." They already caused a power outrage, delayed traffic, and the potential for an epic disaster was just waiting.
The article exhibited the typical poor reporting I have come to expect from the media. Just what were the protesters doing? Were they disrupting others or blocking traffic? Your right to protest ends when it impacts others lawful business or passage. Otherwise, I agree with you. If they were standing on the sidewalk with a couple signs, it shouldn't be an issue.
Just what is the "potential for epic disaster" you are concerned about? We're talking about large loads of fabricated steel, for the most part. Not hazardous waste. OK, so what's the worst case? The load goes off the road and into the river? Yeah, that's not a good thing, but it's steel. Cut it up, haul it out and move on. Lots of fear mongering is all I have seen. If large loads are going to be transported, this (relatively speaking) little used highway would seem to make sense to use. The loads were to be hauled in the middle of the night.
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Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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