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Old 03-07-2013, 09:55 PM
 
Location: the illegal immigrant state
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In a state of 38M, approximately one quarter is illegal immigrants from central america.

Who but the complacently ignorant would live in the US their whole adult lives while making no effort to learn English?

This is the price of diversity- you try ask someone a simple question and get a blank stare in return.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Your link does not back up your assertion.
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Old 03-07-2013, 10:24 PM
 
Location: the illegal immigrant state
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Your link does not back up your assertion.
OK.

Any explanation?

Or is it just an a priori fact?

I reason that most hispanics legally present in the USA are English speakers if not English-only speakers.

Most hispanics illegally in the USA don't need to learn English because all the taxpayer-funded resources they depend upon are explained to them in their native language.
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Old 03-07-2013, 11:01 PM
 
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OK.

Any explanation?

Or is it just an a priori fact?

I reason that most hispanics legally present in the USA are English speakers if not English-only speakers.

Most hispanics illegally in the USA don't need to learn English because all the taxpayer-funded resources they depend upon are explained to them in their native language.
I would venture to say that their are alot of older LEGAL Hispanic immigrants( and older immigrants of all other ethnicities) that don't speak English that well or at all but their are alot of Illegals that speak English.

You can live in many areas of California and get by speaking Spanish only. Even though California is flooded with Illegals I seriously doubt 1/4 of the population is Illegal.

If you were referring to parts of Los Angeles or Santa Ana California then maybe.
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Old 03-07-2013, 11:14 PM
 
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I believe it's a possibility
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Old 03-08-2013, 12:35 AM
 
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A lot may be part of that huge family chain migration because illegals are being given legal status and then can bring in other family members, and they can bring in more family members. A huge chunk of this problem are illegals but also all those million coming in legally and given US citizenship are not here because they'll make any effort at all of their own. They're here for the easy life.
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Old 03-09-2013, 05:26 AM
 
Location: texas
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In a state of 38M, approximately one quarter is illegal immigrants from central america.

Who but the complacently ignorant would live in the US their whole adult lives while making no effort to learn English?

This is the price of diversity- you try ask someone a simple question and get a blank stare in return.

Your assertion:One Quarter of CA Population is Illegal- means 1/4 of the total population of people in California; citizens, legal and illegal aliens is 1/4 illegal.

The link says: of the 38 million californians[citizens, legal immigrants and illegal immigrants], 1/4 of the illegal alien population are illegal aliens from Central America. Meaning that 3/4 of the illegal alien population in California is from other places than Central America.

1/4 total population vs. 1/4 of the illegal alien population.

See the distinction?
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Your assertion:One Quarter of CA Population is Illegal- means 1/4 of the total population of people in California; citizens, legal and illegal aliens is 1/4 illegal.

The link says: of the 38 million californians[citizens, legal immigrants and illegal immigrants], 1/4 of the illegal alien population are illegal aliens from Central America. Meaning that 3/4 of the illegal alien population in California is from other places than Central America.

1/4 total population vs. 1/4 of the illegal alien population.

See the distinction?
Wait until you have to argue with someone here (actually a related couple of someones) that the data they got from a blog combining only the year 2009 numbers of Mexicans that were naturalizing, and those Mexicans receiving Legal Residency in that year, as the total amount of what they believe are "Mexicans here legally":



By that inference, it is a belief in a chart on a blog that there was only 1.9 million legal immigrants too. Did I try to correct them (unsuccessfully) a few times afterwards? You betcha:

Why I think the Hispanic majority population by 2050 is to be taken with a grain of salt

How many illegals?

Why do people care about illegal immigration?
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Old 03-09-2013, 02:15 PM
 
Location: texas
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Wait until you have to argue with someone here (actually a related couple of someones) that the data they got from a blog combining only the year 2009 numbers of Mexicans that were naturalizing, and those Mexicans receiving Legal Residency in that year, as the total amount of what they believe are "Mexicans here legally":



By that inference, it is a belief in a chart on a blog that there was only 1.9 million legal immigrants too. Did I try to correct them (unsuccessfully) a few times afterwards? You betcha:

Why I think the Hispanic majority population by 2050 is to be taken with a grain of salt

How many illegals?

Why do people care about illegal immigration?

I was commenting on the OP assertion.
if you havent noticed the OP has a propensity of changing link titles to fit the narrative.

His tag line: 1/4 Ca pop is illegal. His link title: 1/4 illegals from C. America. You explain his point.

Show me where 1/4 total Ca pop is illegal and of that 1/4 is from C.Am. Show me where he link either one of those statistics.

38 / 4 = 9.5 mil illegal aliens. 12 mil nationally. Do the math. Ca has 75 percent of US illegal alien pop?

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Old 03-09-2013, 02:28 PM
 
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Wait until you have to argue with someone here (actually a related couple of someones) that the data they got from a blog combining only the year 2009 numbers of Mexicans that were naturalizing, and those Mexicans receiving Legal Residency in that year, as the total amount of what they believe are "Mexicans here legally":



By that inference, it is a belief in a chart on a blog that there was only 1.9 million legal immigrants too. Did I try to correct them (unsuccessfully) a few times afterwards? You betcha:

Why I think the Hispanic majority population by 2050 is to be taken with a grain of salt

How many illegals?

Why do people care about illegal immigration?

The blog data came from Homeland Security and still proves that Mexicans are here by far both legally and illegally in the largest numbers. My wife doesn't post in here anymore so how can one argue with her in here? End of story.
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