Why is Los Angeles so passive when it comes to Illegals? (visa, website)

[Annie1004]

Originally Posted by jessemh431

About the social security and other government programs. Illegal immigrants pay into that. They get fake documents from MacArthur Park in LA (Alvarado and 6th anyone?). They use the fake documents to get hired and the taxes are taken out. But they are never able to collect.

And the "family values" Republicans? Yes, let's tear apart the fabric of a family by deporting the parents and leaving a 3 year old citizen with no parental guidance. That child will grow up normally. Democrats actually want to keep families together so that the parents can hopefully raise the child well. If the parents are deported, where will the child go? Foster care? Yeah, that works well!

Then why don't the illegal aliens take their little bundles of joy back home with them? Sheesh... Breaking up families? Phooey. What kind of parent would leave his/her spawn behind in the U.S.? Now who is "breaking up families"? This argument is as bad as "they do the work no one else will do" and "You're a rascist."

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by Annie1004

Then why don't the illegal aliens take their little bundles of joy back home with them? Sheesh... Breaking up families? Phooey. What kind of parent would leave his/her spawn behind in the U.S.? Now who is "breaking up families"? This argument is as bad as "they do the work no one else will do" and "You're a rascist."

Yep, those excuses and unwarranted labels are all right out of the pro-illegal's handbook.

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by Annie1004

Simply not true. Many illegal aliens work for cash, i.e., no taxes paid. If they do pay so-called "taxes" then they are using stolen identification documents. Illegals DO cost California in terms of welfare, Medi-cal, prisons and jails, crime rates, the school system (which is #48 in the country), etc.

Frankly, why even bother responding to the pro-illegals's tired old saws For beginners, what part of ILLEGAL do you not understand? Nothing else to say on the subject unless you are aiding the illegals, which is against the law.

Even those who are paying some income taxes here is what happens many times.

Tax Credits for Illegal Immigrants

[Packard fan]

Originally Posted by jessemh431

You guys really don't get the full issue here. Their children are American citizens. My best friend is an American citizen and has not a single right in the country of Mexico since she was born here, went to high school here, went to college here, and has a full time job here. She is just as American as you and I are. And there are millions of others in her same position. However, if when she was say, 7 years old, both her parents got deported, then what? She has no family in the United States, and she's not a legal citizen of the Mexico. She would end up in foster care, or then be an illegal immigrant to Mexico. Have you guys seriously never thought about this?

Yes, when Americans break the law, they are put in jail. And I'm not saying that none should be deported. For example, someone from the MS-13 who comes over and commits a crime, regardless of his family, should be deported. But someone like my friend's mother, an upstanding human being with a full time job who raised two wonderful children who excel in all aspects of life, and who has never once committed a crime in her entire life, who simply came here to allow her children to live a better life than her own? Republicans should be ashamed of wanting to deport her. That is the destruction of a family. The family is torn apart. Yes, she broke the law by illegally entering the US. But that was almost 25 years ago at this point. Both of her children are full US Citizens and do not have citizenship elsewhere. Her husband does construction and she runs the office/financial aspect of his business. She's not a criminal. She wants a better life for her children. Millions of others have the same story and you are completely fine with that woman being deported? Shame on you and shame on everyone who would be fine with that. It not only affects her life, but the lives of her children and the millions of other children as well.

And yes, while we simultaneously claim to be the freest nation on earth (that title is long gone), we wish to build a wall to keep people out. Yes. Very free. So much liberty involved in that concept! Preach family values as a Republican, and then promote the destruction of families. Family values from the right is a joke. Hello...all the sexual misconduct/cheating/molesting/homosexual scandals from the Republican party?

And on top of it all, I think it's completely wrong that the entire country gets a say in this topic. Representatives from places like Alabama and Kentucky and North Dakota and Michigan and other places like that get to have an opinion on something that barely even concerns them. Someone in Kentucky should not be able to decide a problem that basically only affects CA, AZ, NV, NM, TX and FL. Those states should have the most say on this issue. Other parts of the country don't see firsthand how illegal immigration and deportations affect the daily lives of families. In CA, we see it on a daily basis.

About the illegals using fake documents and then complaining? No, they don't complain about it. They work their a**es off to suppor their families even more so, never asking for a handout.

Please tell that to Mexico when IT'S having a growing problem with illegals from further down in LatAm then tell us what Mexico said. Especially if those illegal Guatemalans and so on TRY to tell Sonora and so on to butt OUT because that Mexican state is far away.

Just take a look at the "Comments" section after any MSN or Yahoo story that's about illegal aliens: those of us who want illegals OUT of the US run about 10 to 1 and many of us like me LIVE in places like Arizona.

I DON'T care about a couple of illegals having an Anchor kid here in the US; if they abandon that kid here, then the kid can stay but her "parents" must NEVER be allowed to set foot in the US. Otherwise it's hard prison time for their despicable kind.

[Packard fan]

Originally Posted by jessemh431

Actually, yes I do care about the current (in)justice system. It does tear families apart and perpetuates a life of crime. You really think that as "the land of the free" and "the freest nation on earth" where we recite a pledge "with liberty and justice for all" we should send full American citizens to third world countries. The children were born here and should not be responsible for what their parents did decades ago. Yes, the ones that were dragged over by their parents aren't citizens and that's a different story. Some were brought as infants and have no idea they're illegal. The older ones area different story. But the infants and US Citizens SHOULD NOT be forced to move back with their parents. That is one of the most amoral and unethical concepts I have EVER heard!! You disgust me with that vile idea that A UNITED STATES CITIZEN SHOULD BE DEPORTED due to a reason that THEY HAD NO PART IN! Why should a US Citizen be forced to move to a third world country because of what their parents did decades ago?

And guess what happens when the prisoners come out of jail? They go back to their families. What happens when a parent is deported? The children and their parents are never allowed to live in the same country again unless extensive paperwork is completed and citizenship is exchanged.

That's NOT our problem.

We DON'T owe their illegal alien kind a thing except 3 hots and a cot before deportation and ban from the US. Period.

[Oldglory]

No one is suggesting that U.S. citizens be deported. The parents taking them back to their homelands with them (as any loving parent would do by choice) is not deportation. It is a rightful choice that the parents should make. Can't have that crying about separation of families thingy, now can we? No one is holding their kids accountable for what their parents did that is just stupid nonsense. The parents nor their kids should benefit from the parent's law breaking though.

What is disgusting is that these parents broke our immigration laws and gave no thought as to how their presence negatively impacts our own American families. They knew the risks of being deported and they are the ones responsible for putting their kids thru this. They didn't give a damn about American families (loss of wages, wages reduced, crowded schools, jails and hospitals, higher taxes, stolen ID's and other crimes) so why the hell should we give a damn about them???

[mountainrose]

Hispanics are the majority in California now. Hispanics run LA, and they are sympathetic to the illegals because they all have friends or relatives who were once or are now an illegal.

[BOS2IAD]

Originally Posted by mountainrose

Hispanics are the majority in California now. Hispanics run LA, and they are sympathetic to the illegals because they all have friends or relatives who were once or are now an illegal.

Not all Hispanics have friends or relatives who were once illegal. I'm half-Hispanic and no one in my entire Hispanic extended family was ever an illegal alien.

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by mountainrose

Hispanics are the majority in California now. Hispanics run LA, and they are sympathetic to the illegals because they all have friends or relatives who were once or are now an illegal.

Even many who don't have friends or relatives here illegally are still illegal alien sympathizers just because of "ethnic" ties. It's a tribal mentality that trumps their nationalism and our laws.

[mountainrose]

Originally Posted by BOS2IAD

Not all Hispanics have friends or relatives who were once illegal. I'm half-Hispanic and no one in my entire Hispanic extended family was ever an illegal alien.

Okay, a few don't